Trump to declare fake national emergency

[Xzi]

Gonna need a cite for that claim lol.

Seriously, you think other presidents have just pulled some imaginary emergency situation from their ass? In any other administration, that would've resulted in the 25th amendment being used to remove the president from office immediately, Trump is the only one who could've possibly lowered the bar this far.

 

[Hanafuda]

Seriously, you think other presidents have just pulled some imaginary emergency situation from their ass? In any other administration, that would've resulted in the 25th amendment being used to remove the president from office immediately, Trump is the only one who could've possibly lowered the bar this far.

All I'm saying is the law gives the President the authority to declare it, and it gives Congress the authority to say, "No, that's bullshit." If Congress can't vote to rescind, it can only be because not enough of them agree it's bullshit.

 

[Xzi]

All I'm saying is the law gives the President the authority to declare it, and it gives Congress the authority to say, "No, that's bullshit." If Congress can't vote to rescind, it can only be because not enough of them agree it's bullshit.

True, makes you wonder why he even bothers to try for this stunt in the first place. There's no chance in hell the Democratic congress approves this after handing him his own ass on a platter during the shutdown and budget negotiations. Desperation I guess.

 

[Hanafuda]

True, makes you wonder why he even bothers to try for this stunt in the first place. There's no chance in hell the Democratic congress approves this after handing him his own ass on a platter during the shutdown and budget negotiations. Desperation I guess.

Requires a veto-proof majority from both Houses.

 

[SomeKindOfUsername]

I'm not arguing Trump's right or wrong, just that Pelosi's representation (and yours) that this would be "unprecedented" needs a giant asterisk next to it.

43 of the 58 emergencies can be categorized as sanctions (26 still in effect). 6 were export limits (1 in effect), 4 as weapons proliferation (1 in effect), and 5 are misc (3 in effect).

This is not normal.

 

[Hanafuda]

43 of the 58 emergencies can be categorized as sanctions (26 still in effect). 6 were export limits (1 in effect), 4 as weapons proliferation (1 in effect), and 5 are misc (3 in effect).

This is not normal.

The counter-argument to that would be emergencies are never normal. That's why they're emergencies.

Whether this is a national emergency though, falls on Congress to decide.

 

[Xzi]

Requires a veto-proof majority from both Houses.

Well back to a federal judge striking it down it is, then, because everybody else in charge of the Republican party are spineless sycophants that put party before country. They'll pretend to see any national emergency that Mr. Orange Magoo insists they see.

 

[IncredulousP]

Well back to a federal judge striking it down it is, then, because everybody else in charge of the Republican party are spineless sycophants that put party before country. They'll pretend to see any national emergency that Mr. Orange Magoo insists they see.

But they rule the courts too now

 

[Joe88]

They are just going to go judge shopping in the ninth circuit, where it will get kicked to the appeals then the supreme court which is currently favorable to republicans right now, ginsburg still might not even be present when they rule on it.

 

[Xzi]

They are just going to go judge shopping in the ninth circuit, where it will get kicked to the appeals then the supreme court which is currently favorable to republicans right now, ginsburg still might not even be present when they rule on it.

So we're in a place where Republicans are cheering for the supreme court to rule against the reality of what we can see and hear with our own eyes and ears. I think anti-intellectualism has peaked, ladies and gentlemen.

But they rule the courts too now

We've seen even Republican judges rule against Trump, though. Most judges take their oath to uphold the law and constitution seriously.

 

[IncredulousP]

We've seen even Republican judges rule against Trump, though. Most judges take their oath to uphold the law and constitution seriously.

I would have more faith in the judges if having multiple sexual assult accusations, committing perjury, and flipping your shit in court were grounds for disqualification from the most powerful branch of government requiring impartiality and levelheadedness in ruling exactly what rights a citizen is granted via Constitution and law. Rights that include, you know, how much say a woman has with her own body and the legality and definition of sexual consent.

 

[Xzi]

I would have more faith in the judges if having multiple sexual assult accusations, committing perjury, and flipping your shit in court were grounds for disqualification from the most powerful branch of government requiring impartiality and levelheadedness in ruling exactly what rights a citizen is granted via Constitution and law. Rights that include, you know, how much say a woman has with her own body and the legality and definition of sexual consent.

Yeah, Kavanaugh is a real POS and I hope there's some way to recall him after it turns out he committed perjury multiple times. I kinda doubt this issue is going to see the supreme court, though. If a federal judge strikes it down, that's the end of that, but if not I think it'll get tied up in legal challenges until Trump is out of office.

 

[supermist]

Emergency were declared

 

[sarkwalvein]

Well fellow Americans, wear your sombreros and get a Taco, because the emergency money is coming out your taxes and you are going to pretend to be Mexicans or Mr. Orange will go into a tantrum.

 

[IncredulousP]

Well fellow Americans, wear your sombreros and get a Taco, because the emergency money is coming out your taxes and you are going to pretend to be Mexicans or Mr. Orange will go into a tantrum.

Jokes on him, I'm already of Mexican decent.

 

[supermist]

Well fellow Americans, wear your sombreros and get a Taco, because the emergency money is coming out your taxes and you are going to pretend to be Mexicans or Mr. Orange will go into a tantrum.

Well, I already received far less back for 2018's tax returns.

 

[Xzi]

I guess Trump is afraid of the 25th amendment being used against him after all. Here's a brilliant tweet in which he calls the use of the constitution unconstitutional:

“Trying to use the 25th Amendment to try and circumvent the Election is a despicable act of unconstitutional power grabbing...which happens in third world countries. You have to obey the law. This is an attack on our system & Constitution.” Alan Dershowitz. @TuckerCarlson

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 15, 2019

This is almost as brilliant as when he said, "one of the wettest we've ever seen from the standpoint of water" during hurricane Florence. Honestly never thought we'd see dumber quotes than the ones we got from GWB, but this is the type of shit that lowers your IQ just from reading/listening to it.

 

[IncredulousP]

I guess Trump is afraid of the 25th amendment being used against him after all. Here's a brilliant tweet in which he calls the use of the constitution unconstitutional:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1096246820097966080

This is almost as brilliant as when he said, "one of the wettest we've ever seen from the standpoint of water" during hurricane Florence. Honestly never thought we'd see dumber quotes than the ones we got from GWB, but this is the type of shit that lowers your IQ just from reading/listening to it.

The constitution is very dangerous for our democracy. The media is all fake, and science is lying. There is no collusion, and if there is, it's not illegal. I am a good president.

 

[kuwanger]

I'm not arguing Trump's right or wrong, just that Pelosi's representation (and yours) that this would be "unprecedented" needs a giant asterisk next to it.

In keeping with SomeKindOfUsername's follow up comment, it's pretty clear that money reallocation for other purposes than original spelled out by Congress--substantially subverting "the power of the purse"--was done either in lead up to WW2, in response to 9/11, or in coordination with Congressional approved hostilities of the Second Iraq War. So, it's really unclear to me what the justification is especially when Congress was quite clear how much money they were willing to spend on a border wall. Really, this sounds more like Iran-Contra except out in the open.

The one part I would agree with is under normal standards, Congress would immediate get involved to condemn a President's actions in such an area precisely because it so underscores their power. Yet, the fact that we're here debating it is precisely that one house of Congress controlled by one party seems willing to be complicit in serving the Executive Branch, if their party, first before their own constituents--you know, that job of being a Congressman. It's like those in Congress have totally forgotten the concept of "separation of powers". It's little wonder that there is such a complaint about "Judicial Activism". :/

 

[Taleweaver]

I guess Trump is afraid of the 25th amendment being used against him after all. Here's a brilliant tweet in which he calls the use of the constitution unconstitutional:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1096246820097966080

This is almost as brilliant as when he said, "one of the wettest we've ever seen from the standpoint of water" during hurricane Florence. Honestly never thought we'd see dumber quotes than the ones we got from GWB, but this is the type of shit that lowers your IQ just from reading/listening to it.

That's .. Indeed a pretty weird reaction. Then again : more proof of incompetence doesn't hurt.