Trump to declare fake national emergency

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  1. Xzi
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    Democrats and Republicans have finally reached a compromise for the spending bill in order to keep the government open and functioning. Thing is, it only includes $1.7 billion for segments of fencing, and so of course Trump is mad that he's the biggest loser in all this. Even though he still plans to sign the spending bill, he also plans to declare a national emergency in order to siphon more wall funds from disaster relief and the military:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47247726

    https://apnews.com/24d64c6848864248afb4260cbec499fd

    We can likely expect a federal judge to challenge this, but if not, I'm quite amused by the precedent it sets. The next Democratic president will have the authority to declare a national emergency over climate change and the opioid epidemic, which is appropriate because those are real emergencies.

    The spending bill is going to be signed this weekend (possibly tomorrow), and Trump is set to declare a national emergency around the same time.
     
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    Erm... To whom does Trump lose face, really? The camp that thinks he's a moron haven't changed their view on him (you can only say 'he's even worse than I anticipated' for so long) and the one 's supporting him have long forgiven him that Mexico is invincible to his superior negotiation skill (1).

    But meanwhile he managed to get 1.7 billion bucks for a project that's proven to be useless. I mean .. I can laugh at his antics all day, but I don't get that sort of shit for. So really...who is really the one looking bad in this situation?


    (1): no I don't know how his supporters wrap their heads around that. This theory is as likely as any other
     
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    The thing is, Democrats had previously (prior to the December shutdown) offered $5.7 billion for the wall in exchange for full DACA funding, which is also in the current spending bill. Trump refused to take it and now it's down to $1.7 billion. Art of the deal indeed. :rolleyes:
     
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    He loses face with himself, it sad really two of the world super powers (US and UK) both have leaders at the moment whose egos prevent them making the right choice for the people they serve and rather choose options that insure they have legacy to their names.

    The truth of the matter is Trump can run a business and despite popular belief is actually pretty good at it, however a country isn't a company and as such a different mind set needs to be taken, although he is unable to differentiate between the two and its harming the US public in turn.

    Christ think of what he could do if he commits that 1.7 billion to say healthcare or commiting to the homeless, just sad really.
     
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    Sometimes I wonder why and how Donald Trump is still our president.
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    I wouldn't say he's particularly good at it after bankrupting several casinos and welching on all his debts to the point that no US bank would lend to him any more. I don't think Trump really has any liquid assets whatsoever, all his money is tied up in loans from foreign banks. It's obvious there's a reason he doesn't want the public to see his tax returns.

    I'm fairly confident that if Trump had just taken all the free money his daddy gave him and stuck it in a savings account, he would've ended up making more profit from that than from all his failed business ventures combined.
     
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    OK, fair point however what I meant is that he is a professional legal con man, he can talk a deal out of most people and similar to the kardashians he knows how to keep himself relevant in the eyes of the public.

    It's because of the above that he become president, well that and the infatuation the American public have with celebrity. Its how Schwarzenegger became governor and how most children's life goal is to wind up on a reality show.

    Anyway back on topic, humility seems to be a quality this man is lacking, he's unprofessional, condescending and doesn't have the dignity the office he holds dictates he should have.
     
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    Yeah, one thing is certain: he is running the country like one of his businesses. Straight into the ground.
     
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    So nostalgic!
    Makes me remember the quirks of my olden South American homeland politicians declaring a fake state of emergency every year to gain some temporary super powers. Ah, the olden times!
     
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    There's an irony to the people complaining about the face of the country..

    ...and before any of you assume my political stance.. No, I'm not a Trump sympathizer. He's a tool, nothing more.
     
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    > TFW you downgrade from a Democratic Republic to a Banana Republic in order to "own the libs."
     
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    It sets no precedent. The National Emergencies Act was passed in 1976 and since then US Presidents have declared 58 national emergencies, 31 of which are still 'active' and just get renewed every year. This will just be one more in a long list.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-31-national-emergencies-effect-years/story?id=60294693

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/07/politics/trump-wall-active-national-emergency/




    Yeah, I saw where Pelosi made that threat. Problem is, what would you with national emergency powers to 'solve' that problem that can't already be accomplished by enforcing the laws we have??? If you want to be practical about it, you'd end the 'war on drugs,' deport all MS13 and cartel-affiliated types, secure the border, and institute much longer prison sentences without the possibility of parole for crimes committed with a gun. If you want to be stupid about it, you'd enact a bunch of emergency orders that reflect so-called 'common sense' gun control, which just restricts what law-abiding people can do, not criminals. In either case, one thing a state of emergency does not do is give the President or government the power to circumvent the Constitution, which currently guarantees the right to keep and bear arms. There's really only one path for you if you think the people of the United States shouldn't have the right to own firearms, and good luck with it.

     
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    It sets the precedent that emergencies can be declared when there is indeed no pressing emergency. Same reason it's likely to be overturned by a federal judge. Judges along the border be like:

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    I guess that would depend on whether you think all of the other 58 were 'pressing emergencies' vital to the domestic security of the United States, or not. But the legislation does give the President the authority to invoke it, and they haven't been lax about using it, going back to Carter.

    I'm not arguing Trump's right or wrong, just that Pelosi's representation (and yours) that this would be "unprecedented" needs a giant asterisk next to it.

    Also, since the National Emergencies Act contains a procedure for Congress to reverse & nullify the President's declaration of an emergency, it seems that's how this should be resisted by those who oppose, not litigation.
     
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    Trump is just a spoiled child breaking his toys because he was told "no." At this point, I am not shocked by him doing something childish and stupid. Just like how I am not shocked that his supporters will still somehow moronically support him.
     
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    Rofl no, this is absolutely unprecedented. No president is known to have planned out an 'emergency' for months beforehand. Even if they had, they wouldn't have done it publicly, as Trump has done.
     
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    Gonna need a cite for that claim lol. I'll give ya the sentence that follows though ... but Trump's style of communicating with the public is rather unprecedented (Twitter) ... last time a President rocked the boat of how to reach the common man this much was FDR's radio "Fireside Chats."

    But the other thing I said is still true ... the law does give any President the power to invoke this, and the authority and jurisdiction to revoke it is with Congress, not the Courts. That won't stop the lawsuits from flying anyway, of course.
     
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    Already got my candidate picked out. Hint: It's not Trump.
     
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