Hacking New TX SX Information: New FAQs and Homebrew Support Confirmed for Launch

[Deleted User]

no paypal no paying.

 

[sarkwalvein]

The "XS OS" won't be just a payload.bin download, that would be stupid (for them). Meaning you won't be able to load it from Android or your own fusee-gelee-tool of choice.
I guess it will be their own tool with the payload embedded in it, requiring some kind of authentication. Anyway, 16$ for it seems like a good deal to me.

Yeah, but that would be an annoyance, because I can guess a couple of things from it, from worst to not so bad:

1. It will have some kind of brick code to discourage you from trying to crack it... that would be a big disappointment and terrible move for sure.
2. It will require you to be online each time you install it... That would be a PITA.
3. It will be tied to some internal console ID, so it will work only on that console... That would be a PITA but passable, I guess you would have to "re-buy" if you change your console.

 

[Devin]

I'll make a note in the OP but the pricing in the OP is for resellers that are buying licenses/products in bulk to resell to the consumer. That's why the pricing is $16/$26 and goes down as more are purchased in bulk. You can only purchase a minimum of $500 worth of product for them to consider selling to you. If I had to guess I'd say that the license itself would be in the $25-$30~ range with the reseller's markup.

 

[gameboy]

I know, and for this reason you should avoid pirating but buy the licence for an "OS" that we promote as being useful to pirate things... and we trust you won't pirate it... because how could you pirate... but... erm... oh...

i don't think a lot of people will buy tropical freeze or hyrule warriors twice, and i f they pirated it probably wouldn't play it or finish the game half way. As for TX SX there was no proof of piracy, and especially for that price of $26, I doubt it'll do piracy. As far as I know they could've bought those games on the eshop and just switch back and forth. Nobody knows how good or sh*te their card really is

 

[sj33]

The software is separate? What?

 

[ChaosInJapan]

I'll make a note in the OP but the pricing in the OP is for resellers that are buying licenses/products in bulk to resell to the consumer. That's why the pricing is $16/$26 and goes down as more are purchased in bulk. You can only purchase a minimum of $500 worth of product for them to consider selling to you. If I had to guess I'd say that the license itself would be in the $25-$30~ range with the reseller's markup.

16$ seemed like a good deal to me. More than 20$ for a freaking payload it's too much. 30/40$ for the whole package (SX PRO) would be ok to me.
I mean, I would understand prices WAY HIGHER than these if the rest of the scene could not achieve this. But that's not the case. As soon as Atmosphere is done, it won't take long until someone releases a backup loader. Even sooner considering the amount of people that will be working on reverse engineer this thing.

 

[Hondyn]

I d get hopes down, this wont be cloned. If they were competent enough to make this hack, that d be foolish to think they didnt do anything to protect their software. There may be some reversal engineering in the future but until then , we will have atmosphere running nice n clean. Well, the software thing looks interesting since we gotta install it only once. So i think i ll stick with the software. As long as it doesnt turn off when in sleep mode like hetake, i m good. At least till atmosphere comes out

 

[MHDestination]

I d get hopes down, this wont be cloned. If they were competent enough to make this hack, that d be foolish to think they didnt do anything to protect their software. There may be some reversal engineering in the future but until then , we will have atmosphere running nice n clean. Well, the software thing looks interesting since we gotta install it only once. So i think i ll stick with the software. As long as it doesnt turn off when in sleep mode like hetake, i m good. At least till atmosphere comes out

Yes, they are not dumb.

I think their payload will be encrypted and bound to console id

 

[gameboy]

It wouldn't surprise me if their stupid dongle didn't adhere to the stupid switch charging wattage and short circuited whatever port those 3rd party docks were ruining too

 

[Kobigov]

$40 isn't that bad. Even without the os the dongle thing seems semi handy.

 

[fatsquirrel]

It wouldn't surprise me if their stupid dongle didn't adhere to the stupid switch charging wattage and short circuited whatever port those 3rd party docks were ruining too

Whoah indeed. But isnt that impossible since its not charging?

 

[Kobigov]

Whoah indeed. But isnt that impossible since its not charging?

It has another usb c port on the end for whatever reason. If I had to guess it could be used for validating the os license with a pc? Idk, but I wouldn't stick a charger in it.

 

[notimp]

This makes no sense - as of now.

First things first (the easy part).

- They drmed the thing
- They require you to be online to communicate with their servers at least for install.
- They seem to install "something" permanently on the Switches system partitions (could be detected, ban risk)

Now to the part that doesnt make sense.

"Includes USB dongle, tool (use once to install OS) and OS software license"
paired with
Software license only - as a seperate SKU

The combination of those two only makes sense if both dongle and tool (jig), are a one time affair only.

In which case this is big news - and Atmosphere has just been leapfrogged.

edit: But their approach might be "easily copied". Also - if dongle and jig are not a "always needed" affair, it becomes much more interesting how the update path is handled.

So we are in "wait and see" mode currently. More questions than answers.

 

[longxa762]

16$ seemed like a good deal to me. More than 20$ for a freaking payload it's too much. 30/40$ for the whole package (SX PRO) would be ok to me.
I mean, I would understand prices WAY HIGHER than these if the rest of the scene could not achieve this. But that's not the case. As soon as Atmosphere is done, it won't take long until someone releases a backup loader. Even sooner considering the amount of people that will be working on reverse engineer this thing.

The price on the first post picture is for wholesale, the price would be much higher for the consumer.

 

[Kubas_inko]

Voltages are software controlled, someone could write code to intentionally blow as many components as possible, in theory.

You sure about that (that you can control it)?

 

[gameboy]

By the time this thing comes out, Atmosphere by sciresm would already have come out of be soon to be released for free. Maybe without the piracy but without the drawbacks either

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The price on the first post picture is for wholesale, the price would be much higher for the consumer.

It's $40, the original post has been edited

 

[Kobigov]

You sure about that?

One could weaponize the linux battery calibration fuckup if they wanted to and make the normal OS think 100% is actually dead battery and shut off, I would think it's possible anyway.

 

[sarkwalvein]

You sure about that?

Yeah, there were some (many?) warnings coming from fail0verflow, regarding e.g. how they fried their display once due to experiments on their Linux build. It's on the most recent blog post on their website, I think.

EDIT: They only mention it in a very indirect way, I guess you would have to dig their Twitter to find more anecdotes about it.

Proper write-up on the exploit, stories of porting Linux (yes, there’s more to it than a panel driver ;-) )

 

[The14thfly]

"Includes USB dongle, tool (use once to install OS)" ????

Usb dongle, I assume they mean a standard usb C cable.

Tool, I assume its that weird chip thing that you stick into the bottom of the switch. Basically the thing that pushes the payload. And the OS, its the CFW.

Now it says "use once to install OS" which is weird because if they mean that you don't need to reinstall the OS with restarts then its awesome.

If not then this thing is only useful for running game dumps.


I hope they allow people to use other tools to install their "OS".

 

[longxa762]

By the time this thing comes out, Atmosphere by sciresm would already have come out of be soon to be released for free. Maybe without the piracy but without the drawbacks either

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It's $40, the original post has been edited

not talking about the reseller website btw, the other guy just thought the wholesale price is the price for consumer