How do you feel about abortion?

[x65943]

The future question is a fun one.
I would go with
Assuming viable embryos are not a rare commodity wherever you are at, or you are in a location where for religious/cultural reasons it is the case, then I don't see why it would be.

Probably a shift as things go from possible, slightly risky and expensive through to not only possible but less risky than biological and finally "it is odd that you would even consider naturally". Main modifiers being where robots capable of raising children are at and how far along into the post scarcity thing were are at, possibly also serious life extension but that starts going way off into science fiction for this particular discussion.

I don't think I can get to disingenuous, if nothing else "why don't we investigate every miscarriage as a potential murder?" comes into play.

Equally "Neither a sperm cell nor an egg alone" then technically two eggs can merge into one and has been the case for a while http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1431489.stm

They discuss this is in the article, but the most challenging part is dealing with imprinting in egg/egg fusion. Certain genes are deactivated in the testes and ovaries - so that effectively only one parent passes os certain genes. This is the body's natural defense against parthenogenesis (because it tends to represent a child produced by the mother alone in nature, which is evolutionarily very disadventageous).

We have to solve imprinting before we can start producing two egg embryos, but I don't think this is too far off. We somehow just need to demethylate the certain silenced genes. Funny thing is essentially you would still have to choose which mom is the "dad" to modify one of these eggs

 

[osm70]

I want someone who opposes abortion to answer this:

Is abortion "less bad" than giving birth and then throwing the child into a trash can?

Actually, you know what? Feel free to answer even if you support abortion.

 

[x65943]

I want someone who opposes abortion to answer this:

Is abortion "less bad" than giving birth and then throwing the child into a trash can?

Actually, you know what? Feel free to answer even if you support abortion.

Depends on the stage of development.

That sucker is 1 cell big and you plan-b'd it out of existence? Not bad in any way.

Got a partial birth abortion? Exactly the same as throwing it in a dumpster.

In the middle? It's all gray m8.

 

[DeoNaught]

Okay, But it's a life. When you Fuck, you know you are going to have a baby, it's the point of Sex. Sex is so you have a baby, so in their action, they know what's going to happen, and it disgusts me, that "Oh, we'll just have an abortion" like it's nothing.
When you have sex, without anything in the middle, you know what is going to happen, it's not like "I put my weenie in your hole, and your having a baby!?!?".

On raping(Or incest), It's still the same life, "Don''t make the child pay for the Father's sin" works here. it's not the Child's fault he/she got brought into the world by rape, it's not, we shouldn't pin the punishment of death on the Child. But I do think that Rape victims and the like should have Financial, and emotional support(if they need it), If they really don't want the child, I hate to say it, but Orphanage.

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Abortions RULE! We need them, and they need to be mandatory for people with more than 2 kids on welfare. We're over-populated as fuck, so we should start regulating babies like China does. Besides, kids are annoying fuckbags anyways. They're gross, whiny, needy, they stink, they're dumber than rocks, and expensive as fuck to raise. No thanks... ABORT! ABORT! ABORT!

that's just stupid to be honest, Over population is a myth at the moment, you know how many people die a day? it keeps most of the Population in check, however sad that is.

 

[x65943]

Okay, But it's a life. When you Fuck, you know you are going to have a baby, it's the point of Sex. Sex is so you have a baby, so in their action, they know what's going to happen, and it disgusts me, that "Oh, we'll just have an abortion" like it's nothing.
When you have sex, without anything in the middle, you know what is going to happen, it's not like "I put my weenie in your hole, and your having a baby!?!?".

On raping(Or incest), It's still the same life, "Don''t make the child pay for the Father's sin" works here. it's not the Child's fault he/she got brought into the world by rape, it's not, we shouldn't pin the punishment of death on the Child. But I do think that Rape victims and the like should have Financial, and emotional support(if they need it), If they really don't want the child, I hate to say it, but Orphanage.

You know condoms break, and birth control fails. So there are a lot of unwanted pregnancies that were not due to negligence.

You think rape victims should have to bring a child to term? Do you support abortion at all in the first trimester? Most abortions are first trimester and kill underdeveloped cell masses. The body spontaneously aborts half of all embryos itself - is that wrong?

 

[FAST6191]

Got a partial birth abortion?

That itself is a politically interesting term and is more of a technique than a time limit, though one typically done at later points in time. Equally most medics don't call it that, though it could be by design (see also why morons see us no longer call it a nuclear magnetic resonance test and instead magnetic resonance imaging test when it is done on animals).

That said depends entirely upon the stage of development. Also as mentioned in the longer thing I did earlier could well be modified by conditions either the host or the parasite might suffer.

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When you Fuck, you know you are going to have a baby, it's the point of Sex. Sex is so you have a baby

Sex provides a serious bonding and pleasure component in humans and many other animals.

Equally "the point"... says who?

Also I don't "know" that I will have a baby -- female fertility rates are not 100%. It is entirely possible for two fertile humans with the relevant set of equipment between to have sex and not end up pregnant.

 

[comput3rus3r]

What if all the parents of the people in here supporting abortion would have had an abortion?
I guess I only support abortions of fetuses that are going to grow up to become abortion supporters.

 

[FAST6191]

What if all the parents of the people in here supporting abortion would have had an abortion?
I guess I only support abortions of fetuses that are going to grow up to become abortion supporters.

Is that a useful "what if" question?

I can't particularly see it being one. Unless it is to say you really truly oppose such things, though you have not really given any reasons why and that is not great debate.

 

[DeoNaught]

You know condoms break, and birth control fails. So there are a lot of unwanted pregnancies that were not due to negligence.

You think rape victims should have to bring a child to term? Do you support abortion at all in the first trimester? Most abortions are first trimester and kill underdeveloped cell masses. The body spontaneously aborts half of all embryos itself - is that wrong?

Honestly, I didn't think of that, but I stand with my opinion, it might not be negligence, but really, putting up for adoption would be better, Sadly "another mans trash, is another mans treasure."

I do think they should bring the child to term, I don't support murder at all. if I poison the water stream, and if about %90 is immune, I still end the %10. (I'm not sure if that fully portrays what I want to portray, but I hope you get the gist.)
I know it will be hard for the Women(Not how hard, but I know it is hard.) That's why I think they should get support, for the pregnancy.

 

[comput3rus3r]

Is that a useful "what if" question?

I can't particularly see it being one. Unless it is to say you really truly oppose such things, though you have not really given any reasons why and that is not great debate.

Is "is that a useful "what if " question?" a useful question?
Maybe because I don't think there's anything to debate about murdering babies.

 

[lafleche]

My two cents: You can all feel what you want, have religieus motives or not, morals or not ... Abortion (and to throw another one in: eutanasia) is and should be an individual choice on no other person nor governement nor church...whatever should interfere.

Of course some rules must be made (like fetus not older then...., medical condition without any chances to get better) but other then that: stay away from other peoples own choice.

 

[The Catboy]

Okay, But it's a life. When you Fuck, you know you are going to have a baby, it's the point of Sex. Sex is so you have a baby, so in their action, they know what's going to happen, and it disgusts me, that "Oh, we'll just have an abortion" like it's nothing.
When you have sex, without anything in the middle, you know what is going to happen, it's not like "I put my weenie in your hole, and your having a baby!?!?".

On raping(Or incest), It's still the same life, "Don''t make the child pay for the Father's sin" works here. it's not the Child's fault he/she got brought into the world by rape, it's not, we shouldn't pin the punishment of death on the Child. But I do think that Rape victims and the like should have Financial, and emotional support(if they need it), If they really don't want the child, I hate to say it, but Orphanage.

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that's just stupid to be honest, Over population is a myth at the moment, you know how many people die a day? it keeps most of the Population in check, however sad that is.

No one casually has an abortion, it's a last resort. Sex also isn't about making a kid, that's literally why there's methods to prevent that from happening. This is also why we need proper education and easier access to things like condoms and birth control to ensure people are both educated about safe sex and also able to practice safe sex.

I am just going to flat say, how dare you. A woman shouldn't be forced to carry a baby from rape, that's just flat wrong and life ruining thing. She didn't choose to have that situation happen and shouldn't have to live with a reminder of that situation. Of course an off spring from rape isn't guilty of the father's sin, but at the same time shouldn't be forced into the world with a parent who didn't want them in the first place, that child will never live a normal nor healthy life. That is not how a life should never be brought into this world. Incest can increase the risk of an extremely unhealthy child, be it physically or mentally. There's literally never going to be a normal life for a child born out of incest. You are basically suggesting ruining lives for the sake of your own believes on this matter.

Over population isn't a myth, we are losing resources and people aren't slowing down. This is also coupled with the fact that just because someone dies, doesn't change anything unless a massive number of people die all at once.

 

[leon315]

many italian's hospitals are against abortion, to resolve this there's a open clinic for neo-moms where can leave anonymously new-borns at hospital, so social assistances can find them a better family for babies.

but if moms has clinically checked and sure that her fetus is genetically flawed or affected pathologically by some virus or diseases then abortion in this case is an Act of Mercy to spare unwanted pain and suffering for both family and child.

 

[FAST6191]

Is "is that a useful "what if " question?" a useful question?
Maybe because I don't think there's anything to debate about murdering babies.

Yet most countries, medical ethicists, general ethicists and the like seem to hold it is a morally acceptable thing to do under many conditions.

The onus is then on you to explain why they are wrong, much less universally wrong. You may also wish to define where the line starts -- contraception, morning after pill, something that reduces the chances of conception, fertilised egg?

This is also leaving aside the misuse of terms there, though I can leave that for now as a hyperbolic statement.

 

[DeoNaught]

No one casually has an abortion, it's a last resort. Sex also isn't about making a kid, that's literally why there's methods to prevent that from happening. This is also why we need proper education and easier access to things like condoms and birth control to ensure people are both educated about safe sex and also able to practice safe sex.

Do you have any numbers? Just curious.
"Safe sex" How... you say Safe sex, like Having a baby is a bad thing.

I am just going to flat say, how dare you. A woman shouldn't be forced to carry a baby from rape, that's just flat wrong and life ruining thing. She didn't choose to have that situation happen and shouldn't have to live with a reminder of that situation. Of course an off spring from rape isn't guilty of the father's sin, but at the same time shouldn't be forced into the world with a parent who didn't want them in the first place, that child will never live a normal nor healthy life. That is not how a life should never be brought into this world. Incest can increase the risk of an extremely unhealthy child, be it physically or mentally. There's literally never going to be a normal life for a child born out of incest. You are basically suggesting ruining lives for the sake of your own believes on this matter.

Okay, The baby Shouldn't be forced to give up his/hers life either, should they? and do you know for a fact that the child will have a horrible life? my parents were told I was gonna have Down sydrome, with some other problems, and suggested they aborted. I don't have down syndrome, and I don't have the problems.
It shouldn't, but it's still Life, is it not?

Over population isn't a myth, we are losing resources and people aren't slowing down. This is also coupled with the fact that just because someone dies, doesn't change anything unless a massive number of people die all at once.

Okay, but aren't Japanese, Or chinese populations going down? due to Abortion, and other problems?

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

Yeah, sure, an incomplete dump of cells is totally "a baby" or "a human being" /s

 

[x65943]

Do you have any numbers? Just curious.
"Safe sex" How... you say Safe sex, like Having a baby is a bad thing.


Okay, The baby Shouldn't be forced to give up his/hers life either, should they? and do you know for a fact that the child will have a horrible life? my parents were told I was gonna have Down sydrome, with some other problems, and suggested they aborted. I don't have down syndrome, and I don't have the problems.
It shouldn't, but it's still Life, is it not?


Okay, but aren't Japanese, Or chinese populations going down? due to Abortion, and other problems?

My most important question for you is: when does life begin?

 

[Ryab]

I get sick to my stomach hearing about it. If they were like just getting settled then ok, But be safe next time But when you can give birth at any moment or the baby is forming then thats when you look at adoption!

I think there are a lot of benefits.

1. Maintain your girly figure.
2. No nagging brats hanging at your ankle.
3. Nothing to hold you back from your career.
4. Satisfy that life long curiosity; get out there and see what this abortion business is all about!
5. With abortion, there is zero reason not to walk scantly clad through a high crime neighborhood.
6. Give the middle finger to God, or Nature, or what ever it is that people make up and worship.
7. Nothing else to do.
8. Become a Hero.

I assume you are joking right because I feel you should at least still have the baby and put it up for adoption

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

So sure, you could question abortion at a late pregnancy stage, like more than 4 months maybe? But questioning it like it's implemented, i.e. at an early stage when you only have a random dump of unfunctional, unspecialized cells is beyond ridiculous.

 

[DeoNaught]

My most important question for you is: when does life begin?

At conception.
When does life begin for you?

if a baby dies before the baby is born, does the mother still not grieve?

isn't it still a life, even if potential?