What do you think is really going on? Let's get a little political here.

I assume you've all heard of the recent Vermont power grid "hacking" story. A few days ago a Vermont utility company found a russian virus on some guy's computer and (part of) the press extrapolated the fact, turning it into a so-called proof of a Russian conspiracy to hack the US power grid... That title was a fucking clickbait, and I just knew it. But not just your average buzzshit clickbait, a serious fucking one this time. When you read the article it became clear: pure bullshit. No evidence whatsoever, all that happened is that they found a regular virus on a random guy's computer, which happens a million times a day everywhere in the world. A few hours later they retracted, a lot of other sites and agencies stated that there was no such thing as a power grid hack attempt. Those media outlets jumped to conclusions to serve their own agenda, it seems.

Now regarding the "hacking" of the US election. Several US government agencies are claiming it's real. Are we being lied to? Are the FBI and homeland security and others all following orders of a higher instance or do they have actual evidence?
So far, they haven't shared much with the general public. Last week they released a document, which I read, but if you read it too you will find that it's absolutely empty of evidence. All it states is "we found some IP addresses in the logs" and "we found a bit of code that was used before". That amounts to nothing at all.

So why do they keep going on about this?
Do you think these agencies have insights they cant share with the public? could they have informants within the russian goverment? that's one of the few things I can think of that they would never be able to reveal. Or maybe it is just more political bullshit... but what's the point? Trump will take office soon and all this Russia crap isn't working. Apparently Trump has something to say on the subject that he will reveal on tuesday or wednesday. I wonder what that may be.

 

[Cylent1]

Idiocracy is a great movie and is a perfect example of where we are heading.

 

[Xzi]

I don't care about what the evil right-wing media says, I care about what you say. Don't deflect, don't avoid, actually tackle arguments that people make against you.

Then you could be a lot clearer about what your argument is. As far as I could tell it was just, "don't bring race into this, that makes you a racist!" There's no argument there, it's a dead-end. I already stated that I don't care if you think I'm a racist.

This is exactly my point? I don't want puppet governments, I don't want intervention. You're the one advocating regime change, remember?

We didn't install anyone in Libya though, we just got rid of the guy killing all the country's people.

 

[Cylent1]

George Washington

John Hanson was.
Here was what they refuse to teach our children and why we live a lie:
http://www.constitution.org/hist/first8pres.htm

 

[barronwaffles]

Translation: I am a spoilt child.

I would have gone with 'I spent too much time hanging around outside a Hot Topic in the early 2000's'.

 

[Sketchy1]

Thats funny because they totally dissed trump and the whole right side, the whole year and made Shillary an angel!
You are dllusional buddy!

Trump makes fun of one handicapped guy, he's the worst guy who ever lived.

Hillary and the rest of the Clinton's steal millions of disaster relief funds from Haiti's earthquakes, Would make a great president.

WELL THEN

 

[Xzi]

Translation: I am a spoilt child.

I might be spoiled, but I'm definitely no child. Sporting a full beard here. Also not sure how you got that from RATM and Everlast.

I would have gone with 'I spent too much time hanging around outside a Hot Topic in the early 2000's'.

The first is a 90s song. The second is a song from a 90s band. You silly goose. RATM is more relevant than ever today.

 

[Cylent1]

#PIZZAGATE

 

[Xiphiidae]

Then you could be a lot clearer about what your argument is. As far as I could tell it was just, "don't bring race into this, that makes you a racist!" There's no argument there, it's a dead-end. I already stated that I don't care if you think I'm a racist.

Evidently you have poor reading comprehension. Stop deflecting! Stop avoiding! My argument was that not only did you make an unsubstantiated claim about demographics and welfare, it was about your judgement regarding white critics of welfare. It wasn't just about "bringing race into it", it was that I see you as a hypocrite who clearly doesn't care about working class people when they are white or disagree with your politics. I was giving you the opportunity to defend yourself.

We didn't install anyone in Libya though, we just got rid of the guy killing all the country's people.

That's even more irresponsible. The resulting chaos is infinitely worse than what Gaddafi's regime was. I would rather there be no intervention whatsoever.

I might be spoiled, but I'm definitely no child. Sporting a full beard here. Also not sure how you got that from RATM and Everlast.

Because you need to grow up an understand that we live in a democracy. You had your chance, and things didn't work out how you would've wanted them to. And that's okay, democracy isn't going to go your way every time. So stop whining about Trump, and focus on what you'll be doing in four years, or on doing what you can now.

 

[Sketchy1]

"Cause this whole systems rigged, and we all know the riggers

For the last 8 years this country's been run by _______"

Finish the rhyme

 

[barronwaffles]

The first is a 90s song. The second is a song from a 90s band. You silly goose. RATM is more relevant than ever today.

They are the same manufactured-outrage poprock that they always were and I can't imagine anyone who listened to them as a 'rebellious' adolescent in the 90's still buys into it.

 

[Xzi]

My argument was that not only did you make an unsubstantiated claim about demographics and welfare, it was about your judgement regarding white critics of welfare. It wasn't just about "bringing race into it", it was that I see you as a hypocrite who clearly doesn't care about working class people when they are white or disagree with your politics. I was giving you the opportunity to defend yourself.

Okay that makes more sense. I don't care if somebody has criticisms about welfare in general, it's just that welfare consumption tends to be attributed to people of color first and foremost in the mainstream consciousness. Then those dividing lines get drawn and we aren't focusing on the true corporatist enemies causing the working class the most pain.

That's even more irresponsible. The resulting chaos is infinitely worse than what Gaddafi's regime was. I would rather there be no intervention whatsoever.

We can agree to disagree there, people were being slaughtered by the thousands on a daily basis. There wouldn't even be enough of a population left to constitute a country at this point if we hadn't intervened. The entire country would just be Gaddafi, his servants, and his military.

Because you need to grow up an understand that we live in a democracy.

There's that same language again. Your argument means nothing if you can only frame it in terms of "winning" and "losing." Even the people who voted for Trump are very likely to lose out overall within a few years of his presidency.

 

[Cylent1]

RATM is more relevant than ever today..

So is Megadeth!

 

[Xzi]

They are the same manufactured-outrage poprock that they always were and I can't imagine anyone who listened to them as a 'rebellious' adolescent in the 90's still buys into it.

America is no stranger to violent revolution and violent events. Those are precisely the topics that RATM covers most. Call it faux outrage if you want, but eventually it all boils over to something more. I'd think you'd know that by now living in Afghanistan.

 

[Xiphiidae]

Okay that makes more sense. I don't care if somebody has criticisms about welfare in general, it's just that welfare consumption tends to be attributed to people of color first and foremost in the mainstream consciousness. Then those dividing lines get drawn and we aren't focusing on the true corporatist enemies causing the working class the most pain.

Maybe, but from my (admittedly not American) perspective, I've seen almost as much talk about 'white trash' and even urban white welfare recipients in the US as I do on minority recipients. Certainly in Australia talk of "dole bludgers" is confined almost entirely to Anglo Australians, with some talk on recent migrants.

Welfare dependency is a serious issue (especially in Australia), and people need to be just as critical of progressive policy on welfare as they are on Neoliberal attitudes on welfare cuts, in my view.

We can agree to disagree there

That we can.

There's that same language again. Your argument means nothing if you can only frame it in terms of "winning" and "losing."

My point is that it's not about "winning or losing" (in my view it's progressives that see it as this, as all they care about is upholding their ideology), it's about what's best for the country and the people in it. That's why people vote and campaign the way they do. The important point here is that people vote differently because they have different ideas of what is or isn't good for their country.

Even the people who voted for Trump are very likely to lose out overall within a few years of his presidency.

Again, that's just your view. Many people disagree and have different predictions of the future of the US (and the world) over the next four years. Understand that you do not have future sight and are not omniscient, and that you may very well be wrong.

 

[JeepX87]

There's that same language again. Your argument means nothing if you can only frame it in terms of "winning" and "losing." Even the people who voted for Trump are very likely to lose out overall within a few years of his presidency.

Yes, we had majority liberal in the Congress for 2 years out of 8 years of Obama presidency, but lost in after 2010 midterm election, however there were some conservative democrats put brake on some legislation, so the Congress has been divided until 2015, but senators don't have 60 majority to break the filibuster. The nuclear option is rare and usually reserved for approve the court appointment.

Some republicans are moderate, especially in senate so Trump couldn't get everything that he wants, so it is notoriously difficult to work with the Congress. No wonder about the Congress traditionally get lowest approval rating since the president usually get higher approval rating (GWB and some presidents are exception).

My families told me that political system has been corrupted for many years, even my grandma told me about it, but there is only difference, it is getting more nastier now.

 

[Xzi]

That's why people vote and campaign the way they do. The important point here is that people vote differently because they have different ideas of what is or isn't good for their country.

The problem is that so many people are woefully uneducated and kept that way so that they're easy to manipulate. What they see as good for the country is often obviously bad for the country. Even bad for themselves. Tribalism keeps them from breaking that cycle.

 

[Xiphiidae]

The problem is that so many people are woefully uneducated and kept that way so that they're easy to manipulate. What they see as good for the country is often obviously bad for the country.

Again, good and bad are subjective.

Also, nice to see some of that elitism again. Some people just didn't have the upbringing and circumstances of birth to be as wonderfully educated as you apparently are.

 

[GuyInDogSuit]

Why are we even getting political on a gamer site?

 

[Xiphiidae]

Why are we even getting political on a gamer site?

For the same reason that we have off-topic chat of any kind.

 

[Xzi]

Also, nice to see some of that elitism again. Some people just didn't have the upbringing and circumstances of birth to be as wonderfully educated as you apparently are.

That's exactly what I'm saying, the vast majority are kept dumb, not just a few. This has benefited the Republican party and corporations more than anybody else.