What do you think is really going on? Let's get a little political here.

I assume you've all heard of the recent Vermont power grid "hacking" story. A few days ago a Vermont utility company found a russian virus on some guy's computer and (part of) the press extrapolated the fact, turning it into a so-called proof of a Russian conspiracy to hack the US power grid... That title was a fucking clickbait, and I just knew it. But not just your average buzzshit clickbait, a serious fucking one this time. When you read the article it became clear: pure bullshit. No evidence whatsoever, all that happened is that they found a regular virus on a random guy's computer, which happens a million times a day everywhere in the world. A few hours later they retracted, a lot of other sites and agencies stated that there was no such thing as a power grid hack attempt. Those media outlets jumped to conclusions to serve their own agenda, it seems.

Now regarding the "hacking" of the US election. Several US government agencies are claiming it's real. Are we being lied to? Are the FBI and homeland security and others all following orders of a higher instance or do they have actual evidence?
So far, they haven't shared much with the general public. Last week they released a document, which I read, but if you read it too you will find that it's absolutely empty of evidence. All it states is "we found some IP addresses in the logs" and "we found a bit of code that was used before". That amounts to nothing at all.

So why do they keep going on about this?
Do you think these agencies have insights they cant share with the public? could they have informants within the russian goverment? that's one of the few things I can think of that they would never be able to reveal. Or maybe it is just more political bullshit... but what's the point? Trump will take office soon and all this Russia crap isn't working. Apparently Trump has something to say on the subject that he will reveal on tuesday or wednesday. I wonder what that may be.

 

[the_randomizer]

This Russian hacking thing is some Kojima-level conspiracy shit. What did they do? Break into the GW system?

I think they're just asshurt because the vote didn't go their way. Now they know how we felt the past two elections.

 

[Subtle Demise]

I think they're just asshurt because the vote didn't go their way. Now they know how we felt the past two elections.

Idk it could have happened, I was just saying it sounded like a Metal Gear subplot. I support the Libtertarian party and neither the Republicans or Democrats. Those two are really on the same side when it comes to the real issues.

 

[Xzi]

I think they're just asshurt because the vote didn't go their way. Now they know how we felt the past two elections.

Again I'd say that would be a reasonable assumption, if the information about the hacks and the intelligence statements didn't occur before the election. They did, however. Russia was not shy about being the only G20 nation to support Trump for president, so the list of suspects narrowed down pretty quickly.

Then of course you've got Trump's business ties to Russia, which run deep. Russians have been in and around his businesses for decades now. Hell, Trump's pick for Secretary of State is an Exxon Mobile CEO that's literally friends with Putin.

 

[the_randomizer]

Idk it could have happened, I was just saying it sounded like a Metal Gear subplot. I support the Libtertarian party and neither the Republicans or Democrats. Those two are really on the same side when it comes to the real issues.

Whether it happened or not doesn't matter, the Dems are only doing it because they're throwing a tantrum that the election didn't go their way. Too effing bad for them

Again I'd say that would be a reasonable assumption, if the information about the hacks and the intelligence statements didn't occur before the election. They did, however. Russia was not shy about being the only G20 nation to support Trump for president, so the list of suspects narrowed down pretty quickly.

Then of course you've got Trump's business ties to Russia, which run deep. Russians have been in and around his businesses for decades now. Hell, Trump's pick for Secretary of State is an Exxon Mobile CEO that's literally friends with Putin.

C'est la vie. People are only pissy because Clinton didn't win and the Dems have lost their cool. Oh the things we could say about Clinton, she's not exactly a saint either, but it'd be a waste of time.

 

[jimbo13]

It's supposed to be a democratic republic, but we're definitely on the verge of losing that first part.

Which is stupid. You don't become a democrat just because you move to California, and you don't become a republican just because you move to Texas. Your vote should count all the same regardless of where in the US you live, and right now it does not.

Actually living in a rural area vs a population center seems to directly affected by how much government intrusion you want in your life. It is working as intended, you obviously dislike the intention however.

I'm sure California can call for a constitutional convention and everyone will go along with L.A county implementing a popular vote and people who jam themselves in to over populated cities can run everyone's live who doesn't live in the city.

 

[kumikochan]

Kinda funny that the US is complaining about hacking an election by the Russians but they seem to forget they hacked the entire world even allies and even Merkel her Phone by the NSA not so long ago. But seems when they do shit it's okay but when somebody else does it's WW3

 

[the_randomizer]

Kinda funny that the US is complaining about hacking an election by the Russians but they seem to forget they hacked the entire world even allies and even Merkel her Phone by the NSA not so long ago. But seems when they do shit it's okay but when somebody else does it's WW3

Again, I think it's due to the fact things didn't go their way and they started their undies in a bunch.

 

[DarthDub]

I remember when Romney told Obama that he sees Russia as a threat and he made fun of him for saying that. Cut in 4 years later and we have this crap.

 

[Xzi]

Actually living in a rural area vs a population center seems to directly affected by how much government intrusion you want in your life.

Correlation does not equal causation, people live in various areas for various personal reasons. It's also pretty ironic that people supposedly wanting less government in their lives voted for a man spouting a whole lot of authoritarian rhetoric.

It is working as intended, you obviously dislike the intention however.

The initial purpose of the electoral college was as a safeguard to keep a populist nutjob unfit for the office from becoming president. So it's obviously failed us.

 

[DeadlyFoez]

I don't understand why you quoted me if I'm agreeing. I said they didn't because I havent seen any evidence

Sorry. I might have misread your post or quotes your by accident.

 

[DiscostewSM]

I find it incredibly entertaining to read Democrats posting about the so-called "rigged" election or the election hacks. It's funny, because they spent the better half of last year telling Trump that the election can't be rigged and that the election system is impervious to manipulation, which we all know is patently untrue, but that's besides the point.

It was even said that when various recounts were done for this election, it was found out that many Democratic votes were invalid, such as long since deceased persons being counted, people voting for others ended up beinging votes for Democrat, etc.

Not saying in the slightest that Trump is good, but when even the evidence proves that something was up regarding the Democratic vote after the Democrats said it can't be rigged....I dunno.....

 

[Kioku]

Again I'd say that would be a reasonable assumption, if the information about the hacks and the intelligence statements didn't occur before the election. They did, however. Russia was not shy about being the only G20 nation to support Trump for president, so the list of suspects narrowed down pretty quickly.

Then of course you've got Trump's business ties to Russia, which run deep. Russians have been in and around his businesses for decades now. Hell, Trump's pick for Secretary of State is an Exxon Mobile CEO that's literally friends with Putin.

Considering Hilary's hostility toward Russia and Putin? It makes sense they'd vie for Trump, rather than anyone else.

 

[Cylent1]

The democrats praised the electoral college since its conception in 1787 until they lost this time around, and now its the worse thing besides Trump.
Open your eyes! The electoral college was designed to give middle america a voice and be heard.
Also it's only obvious career poloticians from both sides left and right are scared because they are gonna be exposed for who they really are, and will be stopped from stealing our hard earned monies and our rights and Trump is doing just that.
So no it did not fail, you failed for not being educated on why there is even the electoral college.

 

[Xzi]

Considering Hilary's hostility toward Russia and Putin? It makes sense they'd vie for Trump, rather than anyone else.

It kills me that people with "make America great again" hats would vote for Russian interests over American interests. Republicans were vehemently anti-Russia just a few decades ago, the party of the red scare.

 

[Cylent1]

It kills me that people with "make America great again" hats would vote for Russian interests over American interests. Republicans were vehemently anti-Russia just a few decades ago, the party of the red scare.

Because the general public are nothing more than mindless obedient sheeple too afraid to stand up for whats right in fear of losing their paychecks and or going to jail. Sad excuse.

 

[Foxi4]

The democrats praised the electoral college since its conception in 1787 until they lost this time around, and now its the worse thing besides Trump.
Open your eyes! The electoral college was designed to give middle america a voice and be heard.
Also it's only obvious career poloticians from both sides left and right are scared because they are gonna be exposed for who they really are, and will be stopped from stealing our hard earned monies and our rights and Trump is doing just that.
So no it did not fail, you failed for not being educated on why there is even the electoral college.

As far as I know, the electoral college is the result of the two parties never being able to come to a consensus. One side wanted the president to be elected by the Senate, which in turn would consist of representatives chosen by the people and voting on their behalf, while the other side wanted a popular vote. In the absence of a middle ground they simply implemented both, which lead to the creation of the overcomplicated system the U.S. uses now.

 

[Cylent1]

Regardless why we have it or how it works does not vindicate why the dems stoop so low to undermine our constitution.
Obama is a wannabe dictator who will do whatever in his power he can to stay in office even if that include war with russia., and that is seen plain as day.
OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE!

 

[jimbo13]

It kills me that people with "make America great again" hats would vote for Russian interests over American interests. Republicans were vehemently anti-Russia just a few decades ago, the party of the red scare.

We prefer Russian interests over Muslim & Mexican interests that the Democrats were representing.

And it was Nixon & Reagan who fostered great relations with China and the other communist countries. Kennedy had the Cuban missile crisis.

Nixon damn near made peace with Russia, look up Detente, S.A.L.T.

Try actually citing history instead of your own political bigotry as fact.

 

[Foxi4]

Regardless why we have it or how it works does not vindicate why the dems stoop so low to undermine our constitution.
Obama is a wannabe dictator who will do whatever in his power he can to stay in office even if that include war with russia., and that is seen plain as day.
OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE!

The terminology you use doesn't lend to the power of your statement, but you're partially right - Obama's fondness for executive orders, which are only meant to be used in the event of national crisis, does make him seem slightly dictatorial. Enacting laws just because the president feels like they should be enacted is the antithesis of democracy, it's authoritarian.

 

[chrisrlink]

the entire electoral college deal is a scam imo we vote for president but do we really? the answer is no the american democracy system is total b*llsh!t we think we're free but in reallity no like freedom of speech I could probably be put in prison for saying all of this under the notion of "act of terrorism" we're in fact I'm just an angry guy who refuses to bend to the will of my government I am threatening no high position official am I? and because I'm a Muslim convert I am seriously under their microscope i bet