Gaming [Poll] Do you think hackers deserve to play Pokémon competitively? Why or why not?

[Xiphiidae]

Well, basically, any RPG or tactical game out there are just stupid RPG chess. Even chess itself.

Not really at all. What RNG does Chess have besides deciding who is white and who is black?

 

[astrangeone]

As an older Pokemon fan who no longer has the time to invest in breeding perfect Pokemon for competitive, I feel that hacking is necessary. Just make it legal in game and I'd be fine with it.

 

[AyanamiRei0]

Not really at all. What RNG does Chess have besides deciding who is white and who is black?

RNG decides quite a lot of things like what gender the Pokemon is going to be how many ivs it's going to have if it's going to be shiny or not.

 

[Xiphiidae]

RNG decides quite a lot of things like what gender the Pokemon is going to be how many ivs it's going to have if it's going to be shiny or not.

Read my post again. I was asking about Chess.

 

[AyanamiRei0]

Read my post again. I was asking about Chess.

Yeah I kinda just saw the RNG and this is a pokemon thread sorry about that.

 

[ILSATS]

Not really at all. What RNG does Chess have besides deciding who is white and who is black?

Then what RNG does Pokemon have besides accurately predict opponent's moves and some procs ?

 

[Xiphiidae]

Then what RNG does Pokemon have besides accurately predict opponent's moves and some procs ?

The chance for many moves to hit, the chance for secondary effects to take effect, the precise damage each move deals, the chance that a Pokémon will wake up from sleep or snap out of confusion; many things that directly impact the outcome of a battle.

 

[AtomSmasherMazionga]

I'm voting Yes, and here's why: I Hack my own pokemon many times in many playthroughs. do I use my hacked pokemon online? no. therefor, I'm a hacker, and I play competitively. so yes, they deserve to play competitively. just not with any hacked moves, items, or pokemon. everyone deserves to play competitively. even hackers. but only if they play competitively in a legitimate fashion, which, by the way, should be an option in this poll, IMHO.

 

[Seriel]

When it really comes down to it, the outcome of a battle isn't decided by how your team was obtained, but what you do with it.

 

[CLOUD9RED]

This thread is like my daily guilty pleasure read. :-D not enough popcorn!

 

[ILSATS]

The chance for many moves to hit, the chance for secondary effects to take effect, the precise damage each move deals, the chance that a Pokémon will wake up from sleep or snap out of confusion; many things that directly impact the outcome of a battle.

You can predict the chance for all of those things. It just takes a tremendous amount of computing power on your part. Just like in chess, there's always a chance that things can go wrong, no matter how small or big that chance is. That's why I sarcastically responded to his sarcastic post earlier. I hope your comments are sarcastic too, cause, you know, if not....

 

[Xiphiidae]

You can predict the chance for all of those things. It just takes a tremendous amount of computing power on your part. Just like in chess, there's always a chance that things can go wrong, no matter how small or big that chance is.

Ah, so you have no idea what you're talking about, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[ILSATS]

Ah, so you have no idea what you're talking about, thanks for clearing that up.

Ah, so you had no idea what we were talking about, and just decided to jump your nose in like a pro. Thanks for clearing that up.
And btw, if you really do think chess doesn't require any amount of luck, then you should probably have yourself checked at the nearest hospital.

 

[RedBlueGreen]

Yeah, I think they deserve to play competitively. A lot of anti-genning arguments are bullshut. A lot of people hate genning because you get an "advantage" with having more battling experience, but they can get the same using Showdown (which a lot do). Some people don't have the time to breed a ton of Pokémon for hours with a 2 IV Ditto and a 1 IV Magikarp, or don't want the endless biking grind. A legal Pokémon is no different from a legit one so it's not that big of an advantage. And for ORAS levelling do you really think those Blissey secret base gyms are legit? If you have a problem with cheating, don't use those.

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Not really at all. What RNG does Chess have besides deciding who is white and who is black?

When you're about to checkmate your opponent but they survive with 1 HP an OHKO you.

 

[MadMageKefka]

Does it really matter? Some players couldn't care less about meticulously raising their Pokemon, no matter how easy Gamefreak makes it. But said player could be completely interested in competitive battles. Is that really so bad, if they just generate some 6IV Mewtwos and make a team out of it? So long as they aren't creating things outside of the game's legit rules (Shedinja+Wonderguard) it really makes no difference.

Shedinja is the only pokemon that CAN have wonderguard, hehe. I think you mean wonderguard + spiritomb. Even that hackmon is a joke, though. It can still take damage from poison, weather, and all sorts of thing. Plus, with the new fairy type, it has a weakness now, so fairy type moves can hit it. I know what you meant, just got a chuckle out of it. =P

 

[Chary]

Shedinja is the only pokemon that CAN have wonderguard, hehe. I think you mean wonderguard + spiritomb. Even that hackmon is a joke, though. It can still take damage from poison, weather, and all sorts of thing. Plus, with the new fairy type, it has a weakness now, so fairy type moves can hit it. I know what you meant, just got a chuckle out of it. =P

Heh, yeah that's what I meant. It's been too long since I've played a Pokemon game seriously, what a rookie mistake, I'm ashamed!

 

[MadMageKefka]

Bit more on topic, I personally don't care about "cheating." Is it cheating? Yes. Does it really matter? No. As long as pokemon are within legal limits, who cares if someone spends the time breeding or not? I personally breed everything I use legit (I do gen or clone legends tho. Fuck soft resetting and checking IVs thousands of times. No thanks), but I still don't feel it's a big deal so long as the pokemon us "legal." The only real downside to hackers is that shiny pokemon are now waaaaay more common than they should be. Kinda defeats the purpose, but oh well. I think a lot of the shiny colors look stupid anyway. =P

 

[LuxerWap]

I'm still standing with my statement.

I mean, you're using a third party device to make obtaining these perfect Pokémon too quickly rather than doing it in-game, legal or not. Why do you think it's very difficult to hatch a perfect IV Pokémon?

I can train up a pretty good team without them having max IVs and probably win a few matches. But up against a player who's team have perfect IVs, I'll have a disadvantage against him/her and all I have to do is hope. PKHex just isn't that fair for players who have no idea how to hack their device, nor even wanted to because of the risks it could lead them.

Seriously, if you want use PKHex, fine, but using the device to get yourself into tournaments is just wrong.

 

[hacksn5s4]

Were all gonna have to play legit when gen 8 comes out on the switch since it will take time for the system to be hacked like when x and y came out you could not cheat until power saves or transferring hacked gen 5 Pokemon that meant no using gen 6 hacks and limted editing with power saves

 

[Xiphiidae]

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You say that you're at a disadvantage against players who have perfect IV Pokémon, but breeding 5IV Pokémon isn't very difficult at all. If you're not willing to breed to the point where your whole team is 5IV, then you're going to be at a disadvantage against those who take the time to brred a competitive team legitimately regardless. Those who gen are just trying to save time, but it sounds like you're not willing to take the time to make a competitive team either. Time and time again you have failed to demonstrate how genning legal Pokémon gives anyone an advantage, or how its use is wrong in a meaningful sense; you can't just say "it's just wrong".

When you're about to checkmate your opponent but they survive with 1 HP an OHKO you.

I hate it when that happens.