Hi all,
I want to sidestep all the drama (not sure if fully possible). I know there are things on the horizon. Everyone knows there are things on the horizon. We can be patient for these things to be completed to their fullest, because we're all big kids here.
What I want to talk about is the objective fact that there are several developers, myself included, that are on 5.5.x and whose homebrew is suffering from a lack of a kernel exploit being made available. Homebrew is advancing more and more, but it's clear that the limits of what can be done in userland are being pushed.
The thing is, yellows8 already (accidentally, as it was believed to be patched) released the browser exploit, which allowed more developers who are on 5.5.x to get into the scene. Continuing to intentionally keep a kernel exploit a secret is preventing these developers from creating new innovative homebrew.
There's the Homebrew Launcher out, which is new and exciting. It's so exciting that I (being on 5.5) had to blindly try to support it.
I don't want to name any other developers, but I want to go on the public record as a dev who is against this blocking on the community. I would love to continue bringing innovation to the homebrew scene, but am finding it very hard to find the inspiration when any homebrew I write is essentially a glorified web app.
I like to keep things open and give back to the community, so I really can't understand the mindset that keeping it private is somehow productive. If it's a matter of being afraid of being sued, I'd like to point out that Sony was not successful with their lawsuit. They settled out of court (read: paid him off to stop *speculation*).
And yes I'm actively researching kernel exploits and trying to find one, but it isn't easy... I've heard @Marionumber1 has given his kernel exploit to some devs, but I'm not interested in being in some exclusive developer club. I am interested in the furthering of the community and the homebrew scene.
I like to control my devices, and I don't like not having control over them. I don't like the reaction that some people have on this forum that all people wanting the kernel exploit are whiny pirate babies.
Nintendo has decided that they decide what people do on their own devices. They've decided this so much to the point that the Wii U's operating system self-updates. As the users, we have the power to take back control. Yes this is a righteous cause, and no we should no condemn people for wanting freedom. (perhaps we can condemn the actually whiny ones though).
As far as I am aware this thread is not against any gbatemp rules. Moderators, if you have an issue with this thread, please let me know so that I can adjust my attitude. But please don't silence it just for being what it is.
Let's have an intelligent discussion about the pros and cons of releasing vs holding onto exploits. To me, it blocks developers from creating content. Nintendo is going to patch in the end if they care enough, no matter what, and there are devs that are ready to advance the scene right now.
I'm very open to hearing other points of view. I'm coming from a background with open source philosophies, so maybe I'm missing something here. I just don't see why this should be a special case.
With much love,
A user
PS: For the record, I am not referring to IOSU at all, but simply the existing, private kexploit for 5.5.
I want to sidestep all the drama (not sure if fully possible). I know there are things on the horizon. Everyone knows there are things on the horizon. We can be patient for these things to be completed to their fullest, because we're all big kids here.
What I want to talk about is the objective fact that there are several developers, myself included, that are on 5.5.x and whose homebrew is suffering from a lack of a kernel exploit being made available. Homebrew is advancing more and more, but it's clear that the limits of what can be done in userland are being pushed.
The thing is, yellows8 already (accidentally, as it was believed to be patched) released the browser exploit, which allowed more developers who are on 5.5.x to get into the scene. Continuing to intentionally keep a kernel exploit a secret is preventing these developers from creating new innovative homebrew.
There's the Homebrew Launcher out, which is new and exciting. It's so exciting that I (being on 5.5) had to blindly try to support it.
I don't want to name any other developers, but I want to go on the public record as a dev who is against this blocking on the community. I would love to continue bringing innovation to the homebrew scene, but am finding it very hard to find the inspiration when any homebrew I write is essentially a glorified web app.
I like to keep things open and give back to the community, so I really can't understand the mindset that keeping it private is somehow productive. If it's a matter of being afraid of being sued, I'd like to point out that Sony was not successful with their lawsuit. They settled out of court (read: paid him off to stop *speculation*).
And yes I'm actively researching kernel exploits and trying to find one, but it isn't easy... I've heard @Marionumber1 has given his kernel exploit to some devs, but I'm not interested in being in some exclusive developer club. I am interested in the furthering of the community and the homebrew scene.
I like to control my devices, and I don't like not having control over them. I don't like the reaction that some people have on this forum that all people wanting the kernel exploit are whiny pirate babies.
Nintendo has decided that they decide what people do on their own devices. They've decided this so much to the point that the Wii U's operating system self-updates. As the users, we have the power to take back control. Yes this is a righteous cause, and no we should no condemn people for wanting freedom. (perhaps we can condemn the actually whiny ones though).
As far as I am aware this thread is not against any gbatemp rules. Moderators, if you have an issue with this thread, please let me know so that I can adjust my attitude. But please don't silence it just for being what it is.
Let's have an intelligent discussion about the pros and cons of releasing vs holding onto exploits. To me, it blocks developers from creating content. Nintendo is going to patch in the end if they care enough, no matter what, and there are devs that are ready to advance the scene right now.
I'm very open to hearing other points of view. I'm coming from a background with open source philosophies, so maybe I'm missing something here. I just don't see why this should be a special case.
With much love,
A user
PS: For the record, I am not referring to IOSU at all, but simply the existing, private kexploit for 5.5.
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