Things you like/dislike for being..."problematic"

[UltraHurricane]

I can't imagine it happens often to anyone here but has there ever been a movie, book, or game that you enjoyed but found out the creator was.... too much of a prick to enjoy their work anymore? Whether it be from their opinions, behavior or beliefs

I know the most rational thing is to try to disassociate the creator from their work, and it's pretty doable a lot of the time

-Phil Fish is a stuck-up douchecanoe with no sense of professionalism but i still liked Fez

-Ender's Game was written by a homophobic mormon weirdo but i read the shit out of it in high school

-I still enjoy a lot of Jim Carry's movies then though he's turned into an anti-vaxxer nutcase as of late

has anyone ever had to dealt with this this dilemma? and has it tainted or done nothing for your love for certain entertainment? does your relationship with the creator affect your enjoyment or should the thoughts and personalities of creators just be none of our business?

**now that i realize it, the title of this thread should be more about "problematic" CREATORS, hehe... my bad

 

[The Real Jdbye]

Fez is the first thing that comes to mind. I was so sad to hear Fez 2 would never be made due to some childish drama bullshit.
Loved that game, but it doesn't have much replay value for me.
I could say many things about Phil Fish and most of them aren't good, but I won't. Despite all that though, he did make a great game, and I would still buy Fez 2 if it was made.

Jim Carrey has always been a bit nuts, that's what's so great about him

 

[migles]

not the creators but the marketing\company people

deus ex, i love the games,
but the recent pre order with rewards is a total bullshit, this had appeared on steam before with some games giving rewards if tons of people pre order the game, but still, i will not even buy the next game unless i got it for less than 9 dollars... because of that bullshit

 

[BlackWizzard17]

I love playing Destiny. Running Raids, Strikes, and Crucible with my friends makes it an awesome game but after hearing whats coming with TTK dlc I felt like year one players are completely ripped off. At first I didn't realize that the game lacked any sort of story (or at least it does not explain very well) but as I bought more dlc it seems like a pretty good deal considering that fact that your limited without them. Now that Bungie will be realising the new game as a pre-order including previous dlc and the new one makes me feel ripped off as a year one player. Still buying the dlc btw but that makes me feel like I was playing an unfinished game when you have to buy to actually add more value to a game bought already

 

[Hungry Friend]

I fucking hate touch controls with a passion. Even though games exist that are meant to be controlled in such a way, I just really can't stand those types of control schemes. Motion controls aren't my thing either but touch controls suck my big fat Lebanese cock.

 

[endoverend]

I love every song Kanye West has put out. I think he's one of the greatest artists of our generation, and has created some really amazing music. But he's a douchebag, and I don't let that get in the way of loving his music and I don't think anyone else should either.

 

[Hungry Friend]

Floyd Mayweather is by far the best boxer on the planet but he also seems like a genuinely terrible person with all the woman beating and other disgusting behavior. I also dislike all fighters who use classless trash talk to promote their fights even though it works. It's like selling your soul/morals just to make more money and Conor McGregor in the UFC is doing the same thing in MMA. Watching trash talkers gets their asses kicked is schadenfreude at its best, but pay-per-view is a total ripoff so I recommend...other methods of catching fights.

I feel less bad streaming a PPV fight than I'd feel if I payed for it considering how sleazy boxing promoters and the owners of the UFC are. PPV is another thing that rubs me the wrong way. $60 for 1 fight card? Fucking really? Eat a dick you greedy fucks; I'm streaming that shit.

 

[Flame]

im the same with Jim Carry... he was cool.. even followed him on my main twitter account which is for tech stuff... but now his just weird.

also any scientology celebrity...

 

[Hungry Friend]

forgot scientology. That shit is one of the most offensive, creepy cults out there today along with mormonism.

 

[yuyuyup]

I don't agree with CarlKenner's politics much, but he brought Virtual Reality to Wii and GC games (hopefully psp soon.) I would vote for him to be President of the United States of America

 

[Flame]

I don't agree with CarlKenner's politics much, but he brought Virtual Reality to Wii and GC games (hopefully psp soon.) I would vote for him to be President of the United States of America

O__o

who?


thats no random dude of the internet, who you dont agree with his politics.

 

[Hungry Friend]

This isn't exactly a controversial opinion, but I absolutely hate sociopaths. They're the only group of people I'm genuinely bigoted against because they literally have no feelings, no ability to feel empathy and no conscience. Naturally there are borderline cases but I'm mostly talking about full blown psychos, and I also can't stand how many people get fooled by them because most of them aren't violent murderers and the smart ones are often VERY good at faking emotions/appearing "normal". When I think of sociopaths I usually picture manipulative, flashy con man types. The ones I've come across all fit that description.

 

[mashers]

This isn't exactly a controversial opinion, but I absolutely hate sociopaths. They're the only group of people I'm genuinely bigoted against because they literally have no feelings, no ability to feel empathy and no conscience. Naturally there are borderline cases but I'm mostly talking about full blown psychos, and I also can't stand how many people get fooled by them because most of them aren't violent murderers and the smart ones are often VERY good at faking emotions/appearing "normal". When I think of sociopaths I usually picture manipulative, flashy con man types. The ones I've come across all fit that description.

Sociopaths don't care if you hate them In all seriousness, yes sociopaths are quite unpleasant. I have worked with a few children who were diagnosed with autism but were, I believe, sociopaths. The thing is, both sociopaths and autistic people do experience empathy - though of a different kind. Autistic people seem like they don't care about other people when usually they're just not aware of them in the same way. They can't work out what you feel, but if you tell them then they do care. Sociopaths are the exact opposite - they can work out what other people are thinking and feeling, but they don't care at all.

 

[Hungry Friend]

Sociopaths don't get into peoples' heads by using empathy, they figure out how to read body language and such using pure, cold logic. Full blown sociopaths are 100% incapable of feeling empathy, and not only do they not care what I think, they don't seem to care about anything other than advancing their position(s) in society by any means necessary, but they are never satisfied because they are inherently empty.(just my own opinion; not science) Many of them are so good at faking personalities/image games that it's nearly impossible to spot them.

Autism, namely Asperger's syndrome is horribly over-diagnosed and the vast majority of psychiatrists are nothing but pill pushing charlatans so you never really know what someone has until you've been around them for long periods of time. Some idiotic ones are overly robotic and easy to spot, but intelligent sociopaths often have incredibly sophisticated fake personas that are very convincing even if you know what to look for.

 

[mashers]

Sociopaths don't get into peoples' heads by using empathy, they figure out how to read body language and such using pure, cold logic.

That is a form of empathy, namely cognitive empathy (cf. affective empathy). Read Simon Baron-Cohen if you're interested in the different types of empathy and how they present in different personality types.

Autism, namely Asperger's syndrome

They are not the same thing. More specifically, AS is just one type of autism.

is horribly over-diagnosed

I don't think enough evidence for this has yet been gathered, but I suspect that you are correct. Autism is a "buzzword" at the moment and people are very quick to diagnose in the name of early intervention, not realising that you don't need a diagnosis to be helped...

 

[Subtle Demise]

I like Nine Inch Nails' music and I really respected Trent Reznor for things he did against the music industry...Then one day I found out he was a major supporter of PETA. I still like the music but I lost all respect for the creator

 

[Issac]

I listened a lot to an artist and I still do listen to his main band. I won a design competition, made a t-shirt that he was going to have on tour in Australia with his friend. Was so happy! He mailed me and asked for my address so he could send some music as thanks (I didn't expect any reward at all, so that made me stoked). And then, I waited... and waited. and waited. and waited. Turned out he didn't send any music, and it turned out they didn't sell any t-shirts on that tour.

That was just... disheartening. And since then, I just can't enjoy his solo work. I was almost put off towards the band as well, but they're way too awesome and such a big part of my life. But the solo stuff is... just not fun any more.
He could've just said something. "We decided not to do any t-shirts" would've been enough. And if he weren't going to send some music, he shouldn't have said it. Or say "since we decided not to do the shirts, I can't send you music". Or at least answer to my mail when I asked about it after waiting a couple of months.

:/ The heart break when a childhood hero does that to you.

EDIT: was going to leave out the artist at first... but decided add it now: Joey Cape from Lagwagon.

 

[Hungry Friend]

That is a form of empathy, namely cognitive empathy (cf. affective empathy). Read Simon Baron-Cohen if you're interested in the different types of empathy and how they present in different personality types.


They are not the same thing. More specifically, AS is just one type of autism.


I don't think enough evidence for this has yet been gathered, but I suspect that you are correct. Autism is a "buzzword" at the moment and people are very quick to diagnose in the name of early intervention, not realising that you don't need a diagnosis to be helped...

I stand corrected on cognitive empathy. What I meant was they are incapable of experiencing any type of emotion, including what is traditionally thought of as empathy. Not all sociopaths are capable of cognitive empathy either I'm guessing as it would seem to apply mostly to the charismatic ones, or possibly only to borderline cases. When I see someone get hurt whether it be mentally or physically, I feel a deep emotional pain that people without emotions cannot comprehend. I would even argue that cognitive empathy may be more the illusion of empathy rather than the genuine article, as I feel empathy is inherently emotional/intuitive. Cold logic and practicing reading social situations can lead to what appears to be empathy(cognitive empathy) but I find it hard to think of it as real empathy as there is no real feeling involved; it can be taught. The last 2 sentences are 100% pure speculation on my part.

And when I called Asperger's over-diagnosed, I was definitely referring to it being a buzzword, much like ADD was in the late 90s-early 00s and still is to a slightly lesser extent. It's dangerous to over-diagnose people with Autism(classical) or Asperger's when ewe know so little about it, but yes I know/knew there is a difference between traditional autism and Asperger's syndrome. I was falsely diagnosed with the latter by a quack when I was younger so the buzzword aspect of over-diagnosing it at times really pisses me off and has messed with a lot of peoples' heads.

 

[mashers]

I stand corrected on cognitive empathy. What I meant was they are incapable of experiencing any type of emotion, including what is traditionally thought of as empathy. Not all sociopaths are capable of cognitive empathy either I'm guessing as it would seem to apply mostly to the charismatic ones, or possibly only to borderline cases. When I see someone get hurt whether it be mentally or physically, I feel a deep emotional pain that people without emotions cannot comprehend.

Sociopaths are able to feel emotions that are of their own concern; they can feel fear, anger, sadness, happiness, joy etc. Arguably they are unable to feel emotions like shame, embarrassment or guilt as these emotions rely on concern for another (or for another's opinion of oneself). For example, in the most extreme case, a psychopath might be capable of killing without feeling remorse, but experience fear at the prospect of being caught and prosecuted for the crime. Technically, if one is incapable even of cognitive empathy then the term sociopath is not applicable since in order to be a sociopath one needs to be able to understand the feelings of others (any yet disregard them).

I would even argue that cognitive empathy may be more the illusion of empathy rather than the genuine article, as I feel empathy is inherently emotional/intuitive. Cold logic and practicing reading social situations can lead to what appears to be empathy(cognitive empathy) but I find it hard to think of it as real empathy as there is no real feeling involved; it can be taught. The last 2 sentences are 100% pure speculation on my part.

Interesting idea. I think the answer to this depends on how you define empathy. Cognitive empathy means the ability to understand the thoughts, emotions and motivations of others. Sociopaths can definitely do this, as they are able to comprehend others' minds and thus [attempt to] manipulate them. Lack of cognitive empathy would be more consistent with a diagnosis of autism as it would reflect a lack of awareness of other people's minds (or lack of ability to understand them). In contrast, affective empathy means sharing in, and responding appropriately to, the emotions of others. This is where autistic people can be clearly separated from sociopaths; they might not realise that they have offended you, but if you tell them, they do actually care (because your feelings, once they are aware of them, do matter to them).

And when I called Asperger's over-diagnosed, I was definitely referring to it being a buzzword, much like ADD was in the late 90s-early 00s and still is to a slightly lesser extent. It's dangerous to over-diagnose people with Autism(classical) or Asperger's when ewe know so little about it, but yes I know/knew there is a difference between traditional autism and Asperger's syndrome. I was falsely diagnosed with the latter by a quack when I was younger so the buzzword aspect of over-diagnosing it at times really pisses me off and has messed with a lot of peoples' heads.

I'm aspie, and work with autistic children every day, and also quite a few who are diagnosed but clearly are not autistic. I think that in the UK at least children are being spammed with autism diagnoses in an attempt to get them support which they do definitely need even though autism is not the correct diagnosis. It seems to me that there are a lot of undiagnosed mental health issues in children which are being wrongly identified as autism.

 

[Hungry Friend]

The people you are referring to a sociopaths sound more like borderline cases/narcissists rather than 100% full blown psychopaths. I've come across people that were 100% incapable of feeling ANYTHING, including emotions for themselves although they were very good at imitating emotions when it was convenient for them. I do concede that a lot of borderline cases are capable of feeling emotions for themselves but find it hard if not impossible to experience any sort of feelings for others, which is why I call them borderline. Traumatized people can often show/exhibit traits very similar to genuine sociopaths but the trauma they experienced may have simply locked whatever emotions they had before away temporarily. Full blown psychopaths in my experience have usually just practiced so much at reading body language and social situations in a logical sense that they can often guess what people are feeling without actually empathizing with anyone around them, hence why I'm suggesting cognitive empathy may be an illusion in many cases. Charisma is not always empathy imo, but that's just my personal opinion. It can be, it is often just the illusion of such in full blown cases.

As far as my misdiagnosis went, I just have anger/anxiety issues and when I was a teenager, incompetent shrinks mistook me not caring about social norms and frankly being a dick as me being autistic, thinking I didn't understand I was acting inappropriately when in reality I just didn't like them, lol. That's probably not that uncommon either.

My biggest problem with the field of psychiatry, at least in the US where I live, is that medication should be an absolute last resort, but prescribing dangerous drugs(to kids even) is often the very first thing they do. It's incredibly unethical and quite frankly offensive. SSRIs are still commonly prescribed too even though there is no evidence that they work any better than placebo pills in double blind studies. Positive experiences with them are likely 100% placebo.