Hacking PSA: Nintendo blocked the Sky3DS (partially) through new anti-piracy checks in their upcoming games

[tony_2018]

can you not bypass that by injecting the guts of game A into game B which is already signed?

If you can explain in detail what you mean by "guts of game A".

 

[Father Crilly]

If you can explain in detail what you mean by "guts of game A".

I think he means disguise one game as another (or something like that).

Maybe he wants to play some My Little Pony game and wants the console to think that it's actually Super Mario Bros. 2 or something like that. I don't know.

 

[tony_2018]

I believe all info would be in the headers.

 

[UsualNoise]

It's not really a fact when you're lying, in which case I wouldn't be wrong unless proven otherwise. you're not the first to do it over here, some people (mainly kids) just feel the need to be seen in a positive light or to be seen as righteous because they care what random Internet people might think of them.

And no, I don't really care that much, your posts just stink of hypocrisy.

Interesting. I don't see how saying I own all my games is hypocritical, but OK. Also, I'm 40 so I'm not a kid or trying to impress anyone. Your responses seem to be another case of posting opinions as facts, e.g. "you're lying". Yes, I'm lying because you can't imagine someone doesn't steal games. I don't know if that is a bigger indictment of you or society in general.

 

[RaMon90]

Sorry if you didn't read further into why they implement the brick code. Also I'm only sticking it to the people who claimed that sky3ds was invincible, they know who they are. They probably created another account and is hiding out.

Read the details and know what you are getting. And nothing is ever invincible when the gaming system is capable of being updated.

Actually they said nintendo needs to add just one code to block it via firmware and not with new game releases. So correct me if im wrong but it still works on latest firmware 9.9 for now, we dont know if it gets blocked with next firm update. It would be the end if yes.

 

[tony_2018]

Actually they said nintendo needs to add just one code to block it via firmware and not with new game releases. So correct me if im wrong but it still works on latest firmware 9.9 for now, we dont know if it gets blocked with next firm update. It would be the end if yes.

You don't even know what I was referring to.

 

[Varia]

Interesting. I don't see how saying I own all my games is hypocritical, but OK. Also, I'm 40 so I'm not a kid or trying to impress anyone. Your responses seem to be another case of posting opinions as facts, e.g. "you're lying". Yes, I'm lying because you can't imagine someone doesn't steal games. I don't know if that is a bigger indictment of you or society in general.

Hey now, don't try to spin my words around, I didn't say there aren't people who buy games legitimately (even on a hacking site as such), however when someone says "oh I only use a flashcart so I don't have to carry my games", then expect people to raise an eyebrow, especially considering you can just download most of the games from the eShop if you just "don't want to carry them around" and if playing legitimately is truly important for you.

 

[UsualNoise]

Hey now, don't try to spin my words around, I didn't say there aren't people who buy games legitimately (even on a hacking site as such), however when someone says "oh I only use a flashcart so I don't have to carry my games", then expect people to raise an eyebrow, especially considering you can just download most of the games from the eShop if you just "don't want to carry them around" and if playing legitimately is truly important for you.

Alright. I just want to point out the only reason I posted my comment on my Sky3DS use in the first place was because you stated "Fact is no one uses the sky3ds solely for backups of their own games". I actually DO use the Sky3DS solely for backups so I figured I would chime in.

I choose not to buy digital (when there is a physical alternative) for reasons expressed in other comments - namely, Nintendo ties digital copies to a single system. If my system is lost or stolen it becomes quite difficult to recover games. Possible, but difficult, and not necessarily quickly. Until Nintendo implements a true Sony-style account system that allows you to redownload to a new system I'm going to continue purchasing carts. Additionally, there is no requirement that digital games will always be available. 10 years from now the eShop may be gone along with the ability to redownload. The physical cart will continue to work. I have NES carts from the 80s that are still kicking.

 

[Father Crilly]

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I don't want to fuel this argument but it doesn't really matter what you do with your Sky3DS, owning one is illegal.
Concealed weapons are illegal. Just because I carry my gun around in public and have no intention of using it for anything illegal, it doesn't make it legal.
I just want to point out that what you said about your 3DS being lost or stolen also applies to the Sky3DS card. The only difference being, it's easier to lose a small card than to lose a 3DS.
The fact that you only use it for backups does raise eyebrows.

May I ask why you only use it for backups and not FREE GAMES?

 

[tony_2018]

I don't want to fuel this argument but it doesn't really matter what you do with your Sky3DS, owning one is illegal.
Concealed weapons are illegal. Just because I carry my gun around in public and have no intention of using it for anything illegal, it doesn't make it legal.
I just want to point out that what you said about your 3DS being lost or stolen also applies to the Sky3DS card. The only difference being, it's easier to lose a small card than to lose a 3DS.
The fact that you only use it for backups does raise eyebrows.

May I ask why you only use it for backups and not FREE GAMES?

I gots concealed weapon license. I gots permission in certain areas.

 

[goober]

I don't want to fuel this argument but it doesn't really matter what you do with your Sky3DS, owning one is illegal.
Concealed weapons are illegal. Just because I carry my gun around in public and have no intention of using it for anything illegal, it doesn't make it legal.
I just want to point out that what you said about your 3DS being lost or stolen also applies to the Sky3DS card. The only difference being, it's easier to lose a small card than to lose a 3DS.
The fact that you only use it for backups does raise eyebrows.

May I ask why you only use it for backups and not FREE GAMES?

In most countries, maybe the tide is changing haven't looked too closely in a while, it's not exactly illegal to own a flashcart. It's illegal to sell them and to use them in certain manners and if they have stolen code, be it games or the software the hardware runs on, on them then it gets trickier. Note also that in some areas it's actually legal to have legitimate backups that you create yourself. This is actually a trend that is rising.

Also when you get older and have more disposable income, "free" isn't nearly as enticing as it was when you were a kid on virtually no income or have a family and a tight income. Especially if you want to support others working for and with their passions. As they say, to each their own...

 

[UsualNoise]

I don't want to fuel this argument but it doesn't really matter what you do with your Sky3DS, owning one is illegal.

If you can show me a U.S. law that says owning a flashcard is illegal I'll get rid of my Sky3DS right now. I'm pretty sure you're wrong here. Part of the reason I don't get 'free games' on it is because I do not WANT to break any laws, I just want the convenience of carrying all my games with me without being digitally locked to the console. Plus as the previous poster says, I've got plenty of spending money to cover my gaming hobby.

 

[Wellington2k]

If you can show me a U.S. law that says owning a flashcard is illegal I'll get rid of my Sky3DS right now. I'm pretty sure you're wrong here. Part of the reason I don't get 'free games' on it is because I do not WANT to break any laws, I just want the convenience of carrying all my games with me without being digitally locked to the console. Plus as the previous poster says, I've got plenty of spending money to cover my gaming hobby.

On August 5, 2009 Matthew Crippen, a 27 year old student at California State University, Fullerton, was arrested for modifying game consoles including the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and Nintendo Wii for profit. Crippen testified that it was so owners could play their backup discs of DRM-laden gaming software that they legally own. However, the DMCA states that it is illegal to circumvent copyright protection software, even for non-pirating uses such as backing up legally owned games.

SOURCE

 

[BamBam]

On August 5, 2009 Matthew Crippen, a 27 year old student at California State University, Fullerton, was arrested for modifying game consoles including the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and Nintendo Wii for profit. Crippen testified that it was so owners could play their backup discs of DRM-laden gaming software that they legally own. However, the DMCA states that it is illegal to circumvent copyright protection software, even for non-pirating uses such as backing up legally owned games.

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Honestly this is a stupid thing to argue, it's more of a grey area than anything. You generally don't see people being arrested for making backups of their own stuff unless you distribute them. These laws have always been on kinda shaky terms, and the legality of it has been switched back and forth for years, with most people agreeing that even when it is deemed "illegal" it is mostly just to please the companies that produce these goods, these aren't laws that are generally held up.

I don't see why it's so hard for everyone to accept and understand that somebody would want to use a flashcart solely for backups of their own games. I like purchasing and owning games too, as a developer I generally don't like pirating stuff (I know the amount of work that goes into these games), and I do the same with my 3DS (Buy the games and then back them up so I don't have to carry the cart with me at all times.). It makes life way easier, and I get to support the companies and people that develop my games.

 

[UsualNoise]

OK, now that I see the DMCA info I agree that it is technically illegal to have backups of any media if you have to circumvent any kind of DRM to do it. It used to be illegal to rip CDs too, but the recording industry backed off at some point. It is currently illegal to backup copy-protected DVDs and Blu-rays to a home server as well, in addition to backing up games. So I guess I don't see the point of any of that. I own all the content already so saying I can't place-shift it for my convenience seems pretty arbitrary.

Nintendo could easily make this a non-issue if they allowed a digital copy for every physical copy you own (like the digital copy you get with movies now). Say you buy the game physically, let me download a copy to the console of my choice. ALSO, let me deactivate it (and uninstall it) to install on another console if I upgrade / sell / lose it, and let the deactivation happen on an account system like Sony has to simplify the process. I'm not holding my breath, but if that happened I would have no issue dumping the Sky3DS as that is solely what I'm using it for.

 

[Father Crilly]

Has anyone recently heard anything from Sky3DS?

Because Gateway bypasses the anti-piracy check completely, I am now convinced that if Sky3DS are going to want to stay in the game then we'll be seeing a new coloured card. I know that I previously thought that it was software related, I take that back.

Nintendo could easily make this a non-issue if they allowed a digital copy for every physical copy you own (like the digital copy you get with movies now).

Nope. If it worked like that then it would affect sales.

I could buy a physical game for €40 and keep the digital copy while I sell the physical one for €35.

 

[Quantumcat]

OK, now that I see the DMCA info I agree that it is technically illegal to have backups of any media if you have to circumvent any kind of DRM to do it. It used to be illegal to rip CDs too, but the recording industry backed off at some point. It is currently illegal to backup copy-protected DVDs and Blu-rays to a home server as well, in addition to backing up games. So I guess I don't see the point of any of that. I own all the content already so saying I can't place-shift it for my convenience seems pretty arbitrary.

Nintendo could easily make this a non-issue if they allowed a digital copy for every physical copy you own (like the digital copy you get with movies now). Say you buy the game physically, let me download a copy to the console of my choice. ALSO, let me deactivate it (and uninstall it) to install on another console if I upgrade / sell / lose it, and let the deactivation happen on an account system like Sony has to simplify the process. I'm not holding my breath, but if that happened I would have no issue dumping the Sky3DS as that is solely what I'm using it for.

What I would like is for digital copies to at least be priced close to what they are worth. There are games I can buy new in shops for $44 which cost $69 in the eShop. When you go to resell a game it might be worth about $30 or $40, and a digital game might add about $10 to the value of a second-hand console. They should price digital games a bit closer to what they're worth, like $30 or so.

 

[UsualNoise]

Nope. If it worked like that then it would affect sales.

I could buy a physical game for €40 and keep the digital copy while I sell the physical one for €35.

I disagree that it would have a meaningful impact on sales. If it did, why do movies come with a digital copy? You can activate the digital copy and sell the physical one, it doesn't seem to be a problem for movies. The effort involved in doing what you suggest is more than most would be likely to do. Some, sure, but probably the same negligible percentage as those who do it with movies. Certainly would lose less money than piracy costs.

 

[Quantumcat]

I disagree that it would have a meaningful impact on sales. If it did, why do movies come with a digital copy? You can activate the digital copy and sell the physical one, it doesn't seem to be a problem for movies. The effort involved in doing what you suggest is more than most would be likely to do. Some, sure, but probably the same negligible percentage as those who do it with movies. Certainly would lose less money than piracy costs.

Except with movies, it is so easy to download a pirated copy, they want to give people who prefer digital the option of paying some money to get it. With 3DS games, you require knowledge and some special equipment to get pirated copies, and it is already possible to pay for digital copies, so they don't need to cater to the casual user who only downloads pirated stuff because they can't get digital copies any other way.

 

[UsualNoise]

True, although you can buy digital-only for movies (Vudu, Amazon, etc.) just like you can with games. I'm not sure why they need to bundle a digital copy with discs, it would just seem to encourage that buy-and-resell paradigm.

In any event, I'd be happy to buy digital from Nintendo if they ever implemented it like Sony does. Until then I'll stick with physical + Sky3DS backups.