Hacking Free rom loader means the death of the 3ds scene

[gamesquest1]

Well yeah a method to decrypt the games from one machine to install to another would be required, also some way of installing them,as I have said if someone with actual smarts came along and took it by the horns it might end up a thing.

we have already seen smealum has the ability to install channels that are modded and big blue box obviously has the tools to decrypt eshop content........but so far all I see is people who are too cheap to donate to some decent dev's demand other decent devs to give them it for free...........I don't see why any dev would even want to help with the attitude's of self entitlement you see around here, and I'm not some crazy gateway fanboy, I just think if you want something done properly leave it to the professional's, I was more than happy to install the USB mod for smealum as I knew it would help in the development of new stuff not just people crying that gateway is too expensive so I would like to think I in some small way helped towards the creation of ssspwn.

i have no issue with a free rom loader as long as it doesn't just screw the community over in the long run, just so some people who probably shouldn't of bought a 3ds if they are so short on money can rejoice in there free loader, if you can't afford a gateway stop banging on about free rom loaders go buy play a nes emulator or something

 

[redkeyboard]

Wow this forum is really up Gateway's ass. Free rom loader comes out meaning GW won't get $70 per person? OBVIOUSLY TERRIBLE! GATEWAY NEEDS AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN!!

I can't believe this place sometimes. Are you also telling me that once most 4.5 systems are exhausted and/or everybody who wants a Gateway has one already, Gateway is going to stop providing updates since there's no more money into it? No, you guys will never say something like that.

I mean, look at all the other consoles that are only softmods, ps3, xbox 360, psp, and wii. Obviously those scenes are dead right?

 

[Jiro2]

Wow this forum is really up Gateway's ass. Free rom loader comes out meaning GW won't get $70 per person? OBVIOUSLY TERRIBLE! GATEWAY NEEDS AS MUCH MONEY AS THEY CAN!!

I don't think that's the point. The point is the opposite: all the hackers, by releasing as little as they can, are helping Gateway stay afloat. Everyone who doesn't release a full exploit "in order to prevent piracy" actually helps piracy, because they help keep piracy profitable. It's counterproductive.

 

[gamesquest1]

I don't think the dev's who aren't releasing work are bothered about someone making a profit....pirate gonna pirate, but they don't want to help you do it. Do you think governments will start giving out free drugs to combat drug dealers? Get real it would make the issue worse, not help in any way

 

[misterb98]

I don't think that's the point. The point is the opposite: all the hackers, by releasing as little as they can, are helping Gateway stay afloat. Everyone who doesn't release a full exploit "in order to prevent piracy" actually helps piracy, because they help keep piracy profitable. It's counterproductive.

There are several ways to look at this.

1) Gateway is keeping the entire 3DS Piracy scene afloat. Reasing a ROM loader might cause them to leave.

This is true, if the ROM loader is simply a reversed-engineered GW using the SD card instead. Obviously, such a ROM loader is nowhere near being CLOSE to existing, so this won't happen.
However, it IS true that everything being done involving ROMS is all Gateway.

2) People are being lazy and not making ROM loaders because Gateway is around. a ROM loader would get rid of gateway and boost the scene to new highs!

This is mostly false. The devs that could make ROM loaders aren't, and the ones that want to make ROM loaders can't. This results in Gateway doing all the work. Everyone wants Gateway to stay, as without them, no more work would be done.

3) CHOCOLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE!!!!!

What?

 

[SirByte]

Because the psp piracy scene died when there was no more profit and pandora batteries were no more necessary

Troll.

The PSP piracy scene started with PARADOX releasing 3 UMD iso images Ridge Racer (JPN) being the first, which at the time no one was able to use. After that games were ripped and patched (to ms0, so they ran off a memory stick; Lumines being an early example. Then Devhook came around. But it really started to take off with the various custom firmwares. Which often lead to bricks.

Pandora (an early version) was leaked by an insider and ended up being used by the little Chinese stores to unbrick PSPs (remember the Youtube videos with the sleigh-of-the-hand battery swap). Pandora was FREE TO USE for everyone, all you needed to do was change the serial# of your battery with the Pandora tool to all F's (=JigKick) and prepare a memory card. Newer PSPs were unable to *make* Pandora batteries, but still could use them. Even newer PSPs used a new system; Datel was offering a BlueLite tool that worked (Sony managed to stop them from selling it) and there was no working IPL for those, so a Magic Memorystick could not be made. And still not.

But newer CFWs came out in lockstep with OFWs. Sony even was so nice to include their own iso loader (np9660 device).

At the time of the PS3 hack, the built-in PSP emulator revealed lots of keys; CFW installers could be made without need for anything (exploited game UMD or Pandora).

Even today PSP Piracy is still alive (last release was less than a week ago), it's just that there is not much development anymore since the VITA took over; and it's just the PSP sandbox that is "cracked" and many VITA owners still use eCFW to load PSP isos.

 

[goober]

I'm rather confused...

Where is the precedent set? If anything, you have more precedents proving you wrong than right. I guess it depends on what you think of as being "dead"...

As it stands, your fear is that having a free solution will mean eventually later games won't be playable, assuming that the pay for solution actually conquers that problem, which there are no guarantees.


Are there any unplayable PSP games? Are there any unplayable PS3 games? Are there any unplayable Wii games? Are there any unplayable 360 games? Are there any unplayable PS1 games? Are there any unplayable PS2 games? Are there any unplayable Dreamcast games? All those platforms had a free solution at some point in their lifetime and none of them required a pay for solution to play an otherwise unplayable game that wasn't online only or some other intrusive "unbreakable" form of DRM.

If anything, a free solution encourages future developments. What you're saying is akin to saying that no one should develop emulators because it will hurt the scene. It doesn't make any sense.

EDIT:
I also forgot to mention Xbox games. And you can also look at the Gamecube, although technically you did need a SD adapter. It was rather hard (I say this relatively and also talking about worldwide releases) to find games for that system due to there only being a modchip method or pay for adapter method. Once the Dolphin emulator blew up, it's been ridiculously easy to find rare and unpopular games.

 

[_V1qY]

Before we go on, please put a top on json.

 

[DaniPoo]

I actually think it's wrong to make a business out of piracy.
It's alreaddy pretty much ilegal as it is, but having people pay for it is even wors. And I dont care for all you who have bought it.
It's your fault for relying on this shady unstable business to begin with.
It's not a scene if its something you have to pay for

 

[mkdms14]

Un true the DS still sold exceptionally well despite the level of piracy that went on. I don't believe what we saw on the DS happening to the 3ds because 1 nintendo has stepped up there game and 2 hackers have lost there ability or motivation to hack the 3ds.

 

[DaniPoo]

thats because that was the only way to enjoy the scene on the DS. you should compare it with the psp or the ps3 to keep it fair

 

[Jayro]

I fully condone and support piracy. Hell, I release my projects free, just non open source. Even if someone makes a freeloader (pun) for the 3DS, I think Gateway will be just fine.

 

[uyjulian]

I pirate because I have lots of US$50 bills however my parents won't let me go to the store, and how do you send physical money over the internet?

I pirate because I don't have any legal option.

 

[Arras]

I pirate because I have lots of US$50 bills however my parents won't let me go to the store, and how do you send physical money over the internet?

I pirate because I don't have any legal option.

Then how would you send said physical money over the internet to buy a flashcart in the first place?

 

[Foxi4]

Let's completely forget that Team Gateway only developed the initial ROM launcher, everything else was developed by the homebrew community, from the initial exploit through region unlocking and EmuNAND to homebrew installation.

No, a free ROM loader would not cause the homebrew scene to die - if anything, it would (arguably) flourish due to an outburst of interest in the platform. Thing is, nobody wants to be meddling with the dark side of hacking, at least officially.

 

[uyjulian]

Then how would you send said physical money over the internet to buy a flashcart in the first place?

I'm not saying this for any platform that requires hardware to pirate.
I'm saying this for PS3, PS2, Wii, PC, and PSP.

 

[dragonmaster]

Let's completely forget that Team Gateway only developed the initial ROM launcher, everything else was developed by the homebrew community, from EmuNAND through region unlocking to homebrew installation.

No, a free ROM loader would not cause the homebrew scene to die - if anything, it would (arguably) flourish due to an outburst of interest in the platform. Thing is, nobody wants to be meddling with the dark side of hacking, at least officially.

,i am not a coder but a writer by trade and yet i am releasing several pages of translations of ancient text translated for free and i had a copyright claim that called out for my rightful work to be removed cause they where going to release their paid translations and didnt like something to be around for free .( i won the claim).
as i undestand companies will attack whonever they think is dangerous for their profits ,and as homebrew is on grey line most are afraid to have them in their tail ,in the old days it was not like that but today they got too greedy and coders too afraid to breakthrough or release something

 

[gamesquest1]

Let's completely forget that Team Gateway only developed the initial ROM launcher, everything else was developed by the homebrew community, from EmuNAND through region unlocking to homebrew installation.

No, a free ROM loader would not cause the homebrew scene to die - if anything, it would (arguably) flourish due to an outburst of interest in the platform. Thing is, nobody wants to be meddling with the dark side of hacking, at least officially.

unless i missed something where exactly did the homebrew community do any of that?
smealum iirc "figured out how gateway does emunand" afaik gateway where the first people to produce something meaningful from the DS profile exploit, they may not of found the initial exploit but they did the digging to find a way to actually use it, its all well and good if someone proves knowledgeable enough to do it all from scratch but all i'm expecting to see is a shoddy gateway patch to load roms......no real work put into the creation just some cheap mods, i fully support what smealum is doing yeah he may be looking at what gateway does.....but at least he is seeing how it works and understanding it all enough to improve on it rather than just trying to change some text to say smealumway or something stupid like that

also why is everyone still implying free rom loader = homebrew......it isnt

 

[Deleted User]

Let's completely forget that Team Gateway only developed the initial ROM launcher, everything else was developed by the homebrew community, from EmuNAND through region unlocking to homebrew installation.

No, a free ROM loader would not cause the homebrew scene to die - if anything, it would (arguably) flourish due to an outburst of interest in the platform. Thing is, nobody wants to be meddling with the dark side of hacking, at least officially.

Not sure if you are trying to be sarcastic or not, but you realize Gateway developed every single example you mentioned? And my argumentation is about the 3ds piracy scene, not homebrew scene. I don't care much about homebrew (too amateurish) unless it involves things like savegame backup or rom hacking.

 

[Huntereb]

This is just... Oh my god.

"Yeh guis, free rom loder wold ruin the 3ds sene!!1 gateway ftw!!!1"