Hacking Gateway update regarding rumors

[inuyasha555]

I'm sorry but Gateway was just protecting their hard work.

And the post about customers who might've bought the clone cards without knowing about the gateway card is ludacris. You have to know something about the hacking scene and did a little research. It's not exactly plug n play. Those who bought the clones went the cheap route. You get what you paid for(most cases).

That I don't exactly agree with.

Take the R4 card for example, it's a well known name which people back with DS consoles probably know. Gateway isn't something people know so I can see people buying the R4 card based on the name.

 

[shakirmoledina]

what they have done is not morally correct however they have the right to do it.

somehow like how actual owners 'share' their games on the Internet

 

[weatMod]

maybe dark_alex works for gateway team

no mathieul does though , i was wondering about this the other day when e suddenly came back from the dead and started posting here last week or so , i mean i heard gateway team was from france so maybe

 

[DestinyFeather]

Well, that's it. I don't know which flashcart I'll buy, but nothing made by Gateway from this moment on ever comes close to my 3DS, that's for sure.
Regardless of what they say is triggering activation of the malicious code in their files, I'm not risking my 3DS by willingly running anything containing said code, essentially giving my 3DS for them to hold it hostage.

Someone please post MD5 and SHA1 hashes of 100% clean launchers GW released earlier (up to and including GW 2.0 beta 1, if I'm not mistaken).

Why don't you just buy your games legitimately? That way you're not giving money to GW and being held hostage because you bought a clone lol.

 

[Xzi]

no mathieul does though , i was wondering about this the other day when e suddenly came back from the dead and started posting here last week or so , i mean i heard gateway team was from france so maybe

Why would he point out the brick code in GW's launcher if he worked for them?

 

[tHciNc]

mathieul doesnt works for the gateway team, he is a well respected knowlegeable dev across multiple platforms

 

[Cyberdrive]

Why don't you just buy your games legitimately?

Because I can't even if I want to? Because Nintendo doesn't want my money? Because I don't need another 3DS to import games at double price for?
Anyway, it's none of your business and isn't even relevant to the topic.

Clean launchers -- verified by the community -- should be available even to legit Gateway users, the price of bug in the software is too much now.

 

[temp1312]

So, does that mean, from now on, not only 3DS, if you are gonna use a flashcard or something device that,
you have to have the ability to determine which device is original and which is clone; which is using which's code and which will use which's code in the future, or, your are deserve to be bricked?

If the GW team really did this, they just created a great example and a splendid prelude.

 

[Xzi]

So, does that mean, from now on, not only 3DS, if you are gonna use a flashcard or something device that,
you have to have the ability to determine which device is original and which is clone; which is using which's code and which will use which's code in the future, or, your are deserve to be bricked?

If the GW team really did this, they just created a great example and a splendid prelude.

It's not that difficult considering that Gateway is the only team doing original work and coding with the 3DS at the moment. Any other 3DS compatible flash cart is using firmware based of off Gateway's, in part or completely. This information has been available for a long time.

Which isn't to say that I endorse what they've done. Just that determining original vs clone is easy to do.

 

[Zetta_x]

Based on what I have read from Mathieulh,

the conditions of a brick is the combination of a specific range from the random number generator (which is seeded on time?) and having a wrong payload loaded.

If X is the event of landing in a specific range on the random number generator
and Y is the event of having the wrong payload

Then both of them occurring simultaneously is P(X)*P(Y) (since independent)

We are assuming P(X) is pretty small otherwise I think there would be a lot more reported bricks

Mathieulh stated that even if you are using the GW loader, there is some small chance that the payload won't have the correct checksum.

So if you are a GW loader, P(X)*P(Y) is so small that it's extremely unlikely of running into this situation (but it can happen?)
However, if you are using a modified loader: P(Y) ~ 1, so then the chance of bricking is P(X)?

Does this sound about right?

 

[Xzi]

Based on what I have read from Mathieulh,

the conditions of a brick is the combination of a specific range from the random number generator (which is seeded on time?) and having a wrong payload loaded.

If X is the event of landing in a specific range on the random number generator
and Y is the event of having the wrong payload

Then both of them occurring simultaneously is P(X)*P(Y) (since independent)

We are assuming P(X) is pretty small otherwise I think there would be a lot more reported bricks

Mathieulh stated that even if you are using the GW loader, there is some small chance that the payload won't have the correct checksum.

So if you are a GW loader, P(X)*P(Y) is so small that it's extremely unlikely of running into this situation (but it can happen?)
However, if you are using a modified loader: P(Y) ~ 1, so then the chance of bricking is P(X)?

Does this sound about right?

There's an initial checksum done before anything else, however. If that fails, the launcher just stops working and you get a black screen requiring a reboot of the 3DS. So unless that's somehow cleared and corruption happens immediately afterward, official Gateway hardware/firmware users are in the clear. OTOH, the other manufacturers have removed/recoded that first checksum, thus bringing the launcher to the code that can potentially brick a console if the checksum fails.

 

[aXXo]

So, does that mean, from now on, not only 3DS, if you are gonna use a flashcard or something device that,
you have to have the ability to determine which device is original and which is clone; which is using which's code and which will use which's code in the future, or, your are deserve to be bricked?

If the GW team really did this, they just created a great example and a splendid prelude.

Your post has got me thinking, what happens if you order your official Gateway and get a Gateway counterfeit/knockoff instead? (Looks exactly like Gateway in every way one the outside except completely different hardware and uses a modified Gateway launcher.dat to run, basically a clone of r4i with a Gateway shell and sticker.) I know that there are a lot of r4i DS cart knock-offs out there, what happens when there are Gateway knock-offs as well? Gateway has not even posted any "how to spot a fake Gateway" on their website.

 

[kyogre123]

Your post has got me thinking, what happens if you order your official Gateway and get a Gateway counterfeit/knockoff instead? (Looks exactly like Gateway in every way one the outside except completely different hardware and uses a modified Gateway launcher.dat to run, basically a clone of r4i with a Gateway shell and sticker. I know that there are a lot of r4i DS cart knock-offs out there, what happens when there are Gateway knock-offs as well? Gateway has not even posted any "how to spot a fake Gateway" on their website.

Again, it's a launcher issue; nothing to do with the card... If the user knows he's buying a Gateway, the only thing that could happen in this fictional scenario is that the cart just won't work.

 

[Xzi]

Your post has got me thinking, what happens if you order your official Gateway and get a Gateway counterfeit/knockoff instead? (Looks exactly like Gateway in every way one the outside except completely different hardware and uses a modified Gateway launcher.dat to run, basically a clone of r4i with a Gateway shell and sticker. I know that there are a lot of r4i DS cart knock-offs out there, what happens when there are Gateway knock-offs as well? Gateway has not even posted any "how to spot a fake Gateway" on their website.

There haven't been any fakes yet. At least, not a single report of a fake. And you'd actually be a lot safer in that case, because you'd be attempting to use the official Gateway firmware on non-official hardware, thus resulting in the initial check failing and a black screen. Same thing that happens if you put official GW firmware on a 3DSLink or R4i card.

 

[DJPlace]

this shit is confusing has fuck!! why the hell would people release fake gateways anyway? to get money or just to be dicks or both? i'm glad i'm doing things the legit way now...

 

[anhminh]

So if I sell a hamburger that have toxin will kill anyone eat it if they not have my sauce inside it, it won't my fault.
I mean it just business and I'm just self defense right? .

 

[Chaosruler]

So... Should we avoid norm?
Jk, I actually considered it possible since it was pure hex edit patch for the firmware...

Any and all software or hardware mods dobe by the user is the users responsbility so if any of you plan to spam norm to fix it, stop it, he provided info, you decided to act

 

[Xzi]

So if I sell a hamburger that have toxin will kill anyone eat it if they not have my sauce inside it, it won't my fault.
I mean it just business and I'm just self defense right? .

It's already been mentioned that there's no need for analogies. It's really nothing like the situation you laid out there.

 

[aXXo]

Again, it's a launcher issue; nothing to do with the card... If the user knows he's buying a Gateway, the only thing that could happen in this fictional scenario is that the cart just won't work.

I don't know if my post translated into Italian well (or if you even use a web translator), but what I was asking was what would happen if in the future, chinese knock-offs slap a printed Gateway sticker on an a whole bunch of 3DSlink carts or any type o other clone and sell them as official Gateways? The buyer has no Idea it's a knock-off and will intimately result in a brick for the user, and bad rep for Gateway.

There haven't been any fakes yet. At least, not a single report of a fake. And you'd actually be a lot safer in that case, because you'd be attempting to use the official Gateway firmware on non-official hardware, thus resulting in the initial check failing and a black screen. Same thing that happens if you put official GW firmware on a 3DSLink or R4i card.

I don't think knock-offs would even bother using Gateway's official firmware, but probably copy 3DSlink or r4i's launcher.dat into their cards, or even sell r4i's and 3DS links with the Gateway sticker on them. This is the scenario I was proposing.

EDIT: I accidentally used "firmware" instead of "launcher.dat".

 

[Xzi]

I don't think knock-offs would even bother using Gateway's official firmware, but probably copy 3DSlink or r4i's launcher.dat into their cards, or even sell r4i's and 3DS links with the Gateway sticker on them. This is the scenario I was proposing.

In so far as I know, you have to download and copy firmware for yourself regardless of which cart you're using or what the cart is claiming to be. It isn't pre-installed, and flash carts don't even come with microSD or SD cards unless you specify that in your order. So unless they also set up a website that looked exactly like Gateway's, with a similar address, and linked a modified launcher for you to download, it would be pretty hard to end up with a bricked console while believing that you were using only official Gateway hardware and firmware.