Hacking I am surprised noone has talked about that decapping project

[tatripp]

I almost donated to them but found it extremely shady that they didn't use paypal.

 

[FireGrey]

that is like saying that if i open the hood on my car and take photo of the engine and upload it to instagram that i am committing "industrial espionage"

No it's like posting the source code of Microsoft Word on the internet.

 

[Eyesenish]

wow i laugh at anyone who donated for this,it was stupid since the beginning,no one else ever asked for money to scan a console to be able to hack it before but sadly it worked and some people got ripped off .....too bad LOL

seriously people are getting way too dumb to surf the net and they beleive anything nowadays

 

[how_do_i_do_that]

that is like saying that if i open the hood on my car and take photo of the engine and upload it to instagram that i am committing "industrial espionage"

It means not all countries have the same laws over things like this. In the US, nintendo will more than likely use copyright to just bury the website and have the courts confiscate the scans because of how the current laws like the DMCA are used with anything to do with circumvention of digital locks.

 

[Foxi4]

that is like saying that if i open the hood on my car and take photo of the engine and upload it to instagram that i am committing "industrial espionage"

If the design is considered a trade secret and is well-within the timespan of patent protection then yes, yes it would be industrial espionage as silly as it sounds. Reverse-engineering is a complex subject and countries around the world have very, very different approaches towards it.

 

[weatMod]

If the design is considered a trade secret and is well-within the timespan of patent protection then yes, yes it would be industrial espionage as silly as it sounds. Reverse-engineering is a complex subject and countries around the world have very, very different approaches towards it.

well its not really "secret" if anyone who owns one can crack it open and do the same thing

 

[Foxi4]

well its not really "secret" if anyone who owns one can crack it open and do the same thing

I wasn't aware that the average Joes have x-ray machines, electron microscopes, precise delayering equipment and gratuitous amounts of acid in their basements.

Delayering a CPU can only be performed on an industrial scale, it's not something "anyone" can do. Anyone can "crack open" a can of Coke, but you won't perform a chemical analysis of the "secret ingredient" which is protected to this day without the right equipment.

Besides, this isn't about the complexity of the task, rather about the legality of sharing your reverse-engineering results.

I don't think I need to remind anyone about the Geo_Hotz incident. He would be entirely in the clear if he hadn't posted ROOT keys of the PS3 on his website. At that point in time, anybody with the right know-how could obtain them, but it was sharing them Online that was considered a felony and indeed resulted in legal action against him.

 

[weatMod]

I wasn't aware that the average Joe has x-ray machines, electron microscopes, precise delayering equipment and gratuitous amounts of acid in their basement.

Delayering a CPU can only be performed on an industrial scale, it's not something "anyone" can do. Anyone can "crack open" a can of Coke too, but you won't perform a chemical analysis of the "secret ingredient" which is protected to this day.

Besides, this isn't about the complexity of the task, rather about the legality of sharing your reverse-engineering results.

if you work in a lab or university it is not that hard , i dont think that you can reverse engineer coke by chemical analysis or GCMS ,or else someone would have done it and released the formula already ,that vault they have is crazy

and i have seen some do it in a small vial of acid, it didnt look too clean though, but these people have photos of tons of decapped chips


http://travisgoodspeed.blogspot.com/2009/06/cold-labless-hno3-decapping-procedure.html

http://www.flickr.com/photos/travisgoodspeed/page7/

 

[Devin]

We haven't heard anything about it since they started asking for more money. Which I believe Mercluke donated the remaining money and posted a image of his transaction. The site hasn't updated and nothing has been said from the guy running the show. Not a "3DS has been sent", a "We've reached the goal", or a "We've got the results back".

Glad I didn't donate.

 

[Ray Lewis]

Xbone and ps4, they are not cheap and will be easier to dev for. Easier to port programs to as well. Marcan said homebrew seems like a lot of work and the Wii U, even 3ds, are not amazingly powerful. I want Wii U mode homebrew channel, same for 3ds, and I like cheats and backup loaders. I don't have weeks to invest in a game and so I need infinite lives, lol.

My wife summed it up, "People are stupid for trusting anyone on the internet.". Website a 5 year old could code in 10 minutes, no replies to inquiries, and a few internet dudes vouched...they could have made fake name to put out this fundraiser. Neimod, then megazig vouched for neimod who vouched for the fundraiser. I get the Wii U part, but 3ds is successful and exploits were found months ago. Shady, but nothing you can do. Neimod could be megazig, or quire, or superziggo next week. Nigerian emails work just like this worked. Sad.

 

[Chaos]

If they did find a perfect exploit they would not give it you. They would sell out to highest bidders stuff like that is worth big money they might even ask Nintendo to pay them not to release it. A fair few company's just like the gateway team would pay big money for fresh exploits as big money can be made.

The only reason its likely not self funded in hope to make money is because they skint. It's likely already been done by other companies anyway and nothing of use found. Spending £2000 for info you can make 10x+ on is to good to pass up on so yeah someone has tried it in the past anyway.

 

[the_randomizer]

If they did find a perfect exploit they would not give it you. They would sell out to highest bidders stuff like that is worth big money they might even ask Nintendo to pay them not to release it. A fair few company's just like the gateway team would pay big money for fresh exploits as big money can be made.

The only reason its likely not self funded in hope to make money is because they skint. It's likely already been done by other companies anyway and nothing of use found. Spending £2000 for info you can make 10x+ on is too good to pass up on so yeah someone has tried it in the past anyway.

Then what would be the point on decapping it if they asked Nintendo to pay them not to release it? It's a waste of time if you ask me. Is it one of those "Just because they can?" situations?

 

[reprep]

i feel sorry for the guys who donated. i did donate some stuff (money or equipment etc) to some devs, and it all worked out well. hope neimod has an explanation for this. he has a twitter, right?

 

[pyromaniac123]

People who donated

 

[porkiewpyne]

wow i laugh at anyone who donated for this,it was stupid since the beginning,no one else ever asked for money to scan a console to be able to hack it before but sadly it worked and some people got ripped off .....too bad LOL

seriously people are getting way too dumb to surf the net and they beleive anything nowadays

Fundraising was on a more reputable site so to speak and vouched for by a somewhat reputable figure. If it really were confirmed to be a scam, I would assume that the site would have removed the page to prevent any further victims. So rather than being a useless leach who has never contributed to the scene in any way, some individuals decided to take the risk and invest in this venture, with hopes that some progress will come to fruition. Intentions may vary but that is beside the point. If anything, this is essentially a Kickstarter-esque event, without the mediator that is Kickstarter due to the nature of the intended action.

It's a real pity that the thing didn't quite work out. I would definitely like to see some form of explanation. While I didn't donate, I still feel really bad for those who did (especially the ones who put in quite a large chunk of moolah in there) and because I didn't contribute, I would like to thank all those who were brave enough to do so, instead of being a little bitch and mocking you guys. At least you tried. *sigh* These people...... No wonder we can never have nice things.

 

[Ray Lewis]

Fundraising was on a more reputable site so to speak and vouched for by a somewhat reputable figure. If it really were confirmed to be a scam, I would assume that the site would have removed the page to prevent any further victims. So rather than being a useless leach who has never contributed to the scene in any way, some individuals decided to take the risk and invest in this venture, with hopes that some progress will come to fruition. Intentions may vary but that is beside the point. If anything, this is essentially a Kickstarter-esque event, without the mediator that is Kickstarter due to the nature of the intended action.

It's a real pity that the thing didn't quite work out. I would definitely like to see some form of explanation. While I didn't donate, I still feel really bad for those who did (especially the ones who put in quite a large chunk of moolah in there) and because I didn't contribute, I would like to thank all those who were brave enough to do so, instead of being a little bitch and mocking you guys. At least you tried. *sigh* These people...... No wonder we can never have nice things.

Site has not been updated, nobody received replies from inquiries, any website is not GOLDEN in status. Not like this was Target or Walmart.com. People trusted a name, because more names "vouched" for them. Human nature is to HOPE for the best or what THEY WANT then discredit any evidence that life is going the other way. Cognitive dissonance (startpage.com it).

It is called foot-in-the-door manipulation (startpage.com it). "Can I get $50 for this?" So you give $50. Next, it becomes $75, or in this case, $2,300 instead of $2,000 because they did not consider taxes. Point still remains, like my wife said, although people HOPE for the best, people prey on that all the time. Firms took people for BILLIONS anyway, what you mentioned, sort of, is that a suit makes somebody OFFICIAL as people tend to trust "authority" figures. People knew the risks, but defending it because you want it to be true is part of the problem. I order from amazon.com, I have issues, I can resolve them, same as other websites. Those sites have reputations for selling. Random dude, somebody else who is a name people have read, NOT a business man for this stuff, and not getting a reply when you do inquire? Do the math, I HOPE they meant well and megazig said he vouched for neimod who vouched for the fundraiser guy, and obviously the website did the same. Could be the fundraiser just went whacko also, lol, does not mean the others are in on it.

 

[Eyesenish]

Fundraising was on a more reputable site so to speak and vouched for by a somewhat reputable figure. If it really were confirmed to be a scam, I would assume that the site would have removed the page to prevent any further victims. So rather than being a useless leach who has never contributed to the scene in any way, some individuals decided to take the risk and invest in this venture, with hopes that some progress will come to fruition. Intentions may vary but that is beside the point. If anything, this is essentially a Kickstarter-esque event, without the mediator that is Kickstarter due to the nature of the intended action.

It's a real pity that the thing didn't quite work out. I would definitely like to see some form of explanation. While I didn't donate, I still feel really bad for those who did (especially the ones who put in quite a large chunk of moolah in there) and because I didn't contribute, I would like to thank all those who were brave enough to do so, instead of being a little bitch and mocking you guys. At least you tried. *sigh* These people...... No wonder we can never have nice things.

actually i did support a team gateway the only team that actually did something and released it ,not saying no one else did anything but just saying im gonna support someone who will actually release something and not the guy that goes on sites to say "hey guys im starting a fundraiser to scan the 3ds i only need 2.5K$ and this wil change everything in the 3ds scene" if it was true the guy wouldve figured a quicker way to get the money since after it would be worth a shitload when released like gateway

 

[Chaos]

Then what would be the point on decapping it if they asked Nintendo to pay them not to release it? It's a waste of time if you ask me. Is it one of those "Just because they can?" situations?

Nope it would be something like an exploit that they managed to create due to the decap. They could Tell Nintendo how they can exploit the system in exchange to keep quiet. Many security firms offer this "Service" A fair few companies such as Microsoft and google encourage you to hack there systems and offer you cash to tell them how you did it so they can fix the bug so its not open for others to use.

Nintendo will see an unreleased exploit as an early opportunity to create a fix before its public knowledge. This is worth money and lots. The exploit would be worth loads of money for companies like gateway and mean much lost profits for Nintendo. So yeah given the chance to buy something before its being released they would take it be nuts not to.

 

[the_randomizer]

Nope it would be something like an exploit that they managed to create due to the decap. They could Tell Nintendo how they can exploit the system in exchange to keep quiet. Many security firms offer this "Service" A fair few companies such as Microsoft and google encourage you to hack there systems and offer you cash to tell them how you did it so they can fix the bug so its not open for others to use.

Nintendo will see an unreleased exploit as an early opportunity to create a fix before its public knowledge. This is worth money and lots. The exploit would be worth loads of money for companies like gateway and mean much lost profits for Nintendo. So yeah given the chance to buy something before its being released they would take it be nuts not to.

Then they shouldn't have asked for donations in the first place. It was a lost cause. Why bother telling people that they're going to de-cap it if it's only going to end up being fixed? This is why we can't have nice things.

Sorry, but I don't agree with that BS logic of theirs. I feel bad for the poor sods who donated to that "cause".

 

[kyogre123]

Then they shouldn't have asked for donations in the first place. It was a lost cause. Why bother telling people that they're going to de-cap it if it's only going to end up being fixed?

Because of easy money and free stuff.