Anti-PIRACY Six Strikes Law Starts Tomorrow???

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Then again, if the thing you're doing is considered (at least for now) illegal, it's perfectly understandable that law enforcement has some measures to look into it. While piracy may not be the most severe offense, the same can be said for many other illegal things (drug trafficking, child pron, etc.). Would you be perfectly fine with this is piracy was replaced with one of the other things?
WHo cares though, most things people pirate are pc games, movies and music. Big deal, plenty of people buy that shit, I don't see it hurting the devs.
 

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Did you actually think this post through or was this just the quickest justification you could come up with?
It's a great justification I think. Besides I only pirate abandonware.

In either case, this is going too far out of line. Haha, but it won't be that simple anyway, the copyright holders can't keep track of everything being downloaded, many people rip and upload to many different sites. This news changes nothing.
 

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It's a great justification I think. Besides I only pirate abandonware.
Would you pay if you were able to buy it instead of pirating it (for example via GoG, Steam, PSN, XBL, uPlay)? If not, then your argument is just as moot. Also saying something is abandonware isn't a good excuse, since someone may be offering the stuff (like GoG, Steam, etc).

In either case, this is going too far out of line. Haha, but it won't be that simple anyway, the copyright holders can't keep track of everything being downloaded, many people rip and upload to many different sites. This news changes nothing.
Actually it's not that hard. While there is a lot of data, processing the stuff isn't that hard. Especially if it's automated via programming. Why else would Google and Youtube receive such a huge amount of DMCA takedown notices? If you can make a program send fragments of data, you can make an algorithm to find certain info from that data in one way or another.
 

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This is not going to end well.

Is that a real advert?

I just saw them say the other day that here in America there is a huge movement by terrorists to steal trucker's semis so they can load them up with explosives and kill people. So freaking retarded! Anything to keep the people paranoid, in fear, and ready to give up their sovereignty. Same as it ever was. Tel-lie-vision works, it gets the job done, Terrorism has been a success! :/

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Ben Fraknlin
 

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Is that a real advert?

I just saw them say the other day that here in America there is a huge movement by terrorists to steal trucker's semis so they can load them up with explosives and kill people. So freaking retarded! Anything to keep the people paranoid, in fear, and ready to give up their sovereignty. Same as it ever was. Tel-lie-vision works, it gets the job done, Terrorism has been a success! :/

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Ben Fraknlin

I was referring to your post, not the new anti-piracy law.
 
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The only thing that has changed is the enforcement of copyright violations. The only sites I see anywhere having a problem with it are those who base their stuff around bittorrent. It's not even a story on websites that have paid access or are frequented by people over the age of 15.

They will be looking for you the same as before. They will download "Latest Game 2013 (NOSTEAM).zip" and write down the IP addresses that connect to them, and send a notice to the ISP. If you are downloading Linux or the Humble Indie Bundle, they will not care.

Also, this is not a LAW but a policy put in place by several of the big ISPs in this country. They can decide they don't want you to go to websites with the .org address if they wanted to, but that would lose them customers.
 

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They will be looking for you the same as before. They will download "Latest Game 2013 (NOSTEAM).zip" and write down the IP addresses that connect to them, and send a notice to the ISP. If you are downloading Linux or the Humble Indie Bundle, they will not care.
Isn't that a given, since one is illegal and the other isn't? BitTorrent has never been and hopefully will never be illegal. If it was, we wouldn't have Spotify either, since it's basically a modified BT client based on code done by the same people who made TBP tracker. So in other words, they will not care, since they will have no reason to care due to the practice being perfectly legal (the latter if it was purchased, which shouldn't be a problem with the concept in general).
 

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I probably could continue to disabuse the notion that peerbock does good things but others have done enough thus far. Perhaps I will be accused of a type of fallacy but if you are going to try to tell us that it is good thing through why it "works" and how you might get around that if you were an attacker.

VPN is not solution for a long term.
VPN/seedbox not viable as a long term solution? Now I have certainly seen my fair share of fly by night companies/operators here but there should be a few offering enough resources to get something done.

I guess in the end it the old adage rings true once more
Free
Easy to use/well stocked
Secure

Pick two.
 

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OK, but is that picture in your post for real? Is that something that is being said, that pirates are in bed with terrorism? Really?

I mean where was big industry back in the day when everyone was recording TV shows and movies with the Beta Players and VCR's? Where was the fight on piracy/terrorism when we were copying 8-tracks then later 16-tracks off each other? Why were they not cracking down on garage sales years before now, making sure they they pinch a penny off products that they already sold to owners in that realm?

Likewise, why is it that they produce the means to pirate and then complain about it? I.E. back in the day we had no need really to have burnable CD's, but they produced them. We really didn't need hard drives that could stores a few Tb of data, but they produced them. We didn't really need high speed internet to the degree we have it today. Generally (not always) people with high speed internet use it for piracy or streaming movies. In fact when I worked for Time Warner, I'd say that at the time (1999 - 2000) 98% of the house holds I installed in were running Napter, old folks included, so again why is it that these companies provided us with such high speed internet only to complain with how we use it? I know streaming video is legal, but again for every movie streamed that's $20-$50 lost in DVD and Blue Ray sales because they just watched it and a few dozen other movies for only $7 a month or what ever Netflix is charging now.

What all this comes down to is people are willing to give up freedoms and liberty over the welfare of their consumer products and the conglomerates who produce them.
 

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Isn't that a given, since one is illegal and the other isn't? BitTorrent has never been and hopefully will never be illegal. If it was, we wouldn't have Spotify either, since it's basically a modified BT client based on code done by the same people who made TBP tracker. So in other words, they will not care, since they will have no reason to care due to the practice being perfectly legal (the latter if it was purchased, which shouldn't be a problem with the concept in general).

It doesn't make as good of a story then. People thinking this is THE GOVERNMENT TAKING MY RIGHTS are the same as the ones that will yell type FIRST AMMENDMENT when they get banned on a forum. At the end of the day, it's nothing.
 
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OK, but is that picture in your post for real? Is that something that is being said, that pirates are in bed with terrorism? Really?

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It's a signature, not a post. Re-read the text in the pic very carefully, then read it again.
 

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The government has been known to take from the people outright though, or to allow corporate monopolies take directly from the people and they never make a fuss about that. Gold would be one example, land, old people's money, I could compile a huge ass list.

It's a signature, not a post. Re-read the text in the pic very carefully, then read it again.

Ya, it says that Terrorists sell pirated DVD's to raise funds...

...so I assume the best solution is to send a swat team in to raid Comic con? What am I missing here that I need to re-read?
 

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Considering a VPN is around $40/year, it's a lot cheaper than buying all the movies and songs you download. It really helps you save when it comes to softwares too.
Are you refering to the hundreds of movies you download, watch once, and then relegate to some harddrive never to be seen again...?
Or maybe the thousands of songs you download, throw on your iPod, and never listen to...?
Possibly the games you download, play for an hour, and then toss aside and move on to the next...?

It's hilarious watching criminals justify different ways of committing pointless crimes ;)
 

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I mean where was big industry back in the day when everyone was recording TV shows and movies with the Beta Players and VCR's?
They were around, they even went to court and a fairly well noted ruling was handed down- http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id408.htm

Why were they not cracking down on garage sales years before now, making sure they they pinch a penny off products that they already sold to owners in that realm?
That would be the first-sale doctrine.

Likewise, why is it that they produce the means to pirate and then complain about it? I.E. back in the day we had no need really to have burnable CD's, but they produced them. We really didn't need hard drives that could stores a few Tb of data, but they produced them.
That is a slippery slope as well- conventional burnable DVDs deliberately lose certain functions over pressed DVDs (lead in sections and the corrupt sector stuff). Similarly various places have a levy on various types of media in effect that goes to various copyright holder groups.

Also given around the time burnable CD drives came in USB drives had not risen up, floppy drives were still a few megs (where files were not) and I think we still have something approaching a moratorium on mentioning zip drives unless you want to be the one to coax certain slightly older members of the site out of their hiding spot.

Also beyond that "didn't really need"..... not an argument method that does well for me. Also explain to me the difference between end consumer, hobbyist and small business- I can probably sit here coming up with good examples (personal and otherwise) all day long on how people with their ranges of spending power benefit "legally" and immensely from said things.
 
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Ya, it says that Terrorists sell pirated DVD's to raise funds...

...so I assume the best solution is to send a swat team in to raid Comic con? What am I missing here that I need to re-read?

It doesn't say pirates are in bed with terrorism as you put it, just that terrorist groups sell pirated dvds.
 

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