Sony having "difficult time" getting third-party support for V

[Deleted_171835]

In an interview with Playstation: The Official Magazine, Sony Computer Entertainment Worldwide Studio President Shuhei Yoshida said, “We’re having a more difficult time than we had anticipated in terms of getting support from third-party publishers, but that’s our job,”

“We will continue to talk to development communities and publishing partners and tell them why Vita can provide a great experience for the IPs they have and I hope the Assassin’s Creed game will prove that.

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Anyways, Sony doesn't seem to realize that third-party devs aren't coming to help them this time like they did with the PS3, PSP and practically every platform of theirs. They need to start developing some first-party Vita games (God of War Vita, Gran Turismo, etc.) or risk the platform continuing on its slow demise. It's not too late but the future doesn't look bright.

On the other-hand, in the short term, the plummeting used prices of the device do please me as sooner or later, I'll be able to snag a Vita for $150 and play some PSP games.

 

[Psionic Roshambo]

Launching any console is a tough thing to do, your asking people to buy into a system with the hope that games will be released for it in a timely manor, and at a price people will want to pay. The Vita right now is more expensive than the 3DS and while it has some advantages are they worth the extra money? The market seems to be saying no right now.

This Holiday season will be the real test of the Vita in my opinion.

 

[Hyborix3]

A spoonful of pricing would make the medicine go down, medicine go down.

 

[godreborn]

why should third parties care when sony obviously doesn't? I think I've only seen one ps vita commerical, and the vita at e3 was merely an afterthought.

 

[Nathan Drake]

lol what a surprise. soulx was the one to post a thread that shines a negative light on something Sony related.

ON TOPIC: Are they really surprised? The PSP only got third party support in Japan, while third party support was pretty nonexistent most of the time in the west. The PS3 has only had so-so third party support, with a lot of the bigger titles being at least published partially by Sony. Basically, Sony needs to sell some systems themselves first with their own games before they can hope for the third party developers to jump in. The 3DS only has as many games coming from third party developers as it does because of the success of the DS that translated into promise for the 3DS, that has been fulfilled by sales.

The big but here: the Vita has still not even been out for six months in Japan yet, and not even five in the rest of the world. So before anybody goes "the Vita has no gaemz and is gonna die," consider the fact that the Vita still has the ability to create a long life for itself. It might have a rocky first year, but look at the DS: it had a really rocky first year, and it turned into the best selling handheld of all time (though, sales became considerably better with the release of the more attractive Lite). It's just a matter of giving the system time to show its full potential.

 

[godreborn]

imo, the biggest problem with the vita is those unnecessary memory cards. with the 3ds, u don't need an sd card at all; even if u did, a 2GB sd card comes packed with the system in the sd card slot. there's no bs software u have to use in order for the computer to read it unlike the vita. that is a serious mistake on sony's part. y create a format that only one uses (i.e. no competition equals no drop in price). that is a very bad business choice. how and where games r played has changed considerably over the past several years. most people want things to be seamless and simply considering, but sony has made it difficult for no reason. that is one of the many reasons the vita has struggled far more than 3ds. it's pretty sad that sony hasn't realized this after the uphill battle it had with the ps3. don't tack on a cost when there's no reason to do so. let's not only carry around a handful of games, but let's carry around a handful of memory cards too.

 

[Centrix]

I'm honestly not all that surprised at how much trouble their and will continue to have with the Vita, personally I wish they'd remove off the shelf's and start over with their own ideas and stop stealing others! This system is doing worse than the PSP at launch and after and I don't for see it getting any better in the future, Sony's just gonna keep loosing billions of dollars and firing employees and hoping for the best!

 

[Nathan Drake]

imo, the biggest problem with the vita is those unnecessary memory cards. with the 3ds, u don't need an sd card at all; even if u did, a 2GB sd card comes packed with the system in the sd card slot. there's no bs software u have to use in order for the computer to read it unlike the vita. that is a serious mistake on sony's part. y create a format that only one uses (i.e. no competition equals no drop in price). that is a very bad business choice. how and where games r played has changed considerably over the past several years. most people want things to be seamless and simply considering, but sony has made it difficult for no reason. that is one of the many reasons the vita has struggled far more than 3ds. it's pretty sad that sony hasn't realized this after the uphill battle it had with the ps3. don't tack on a cost when there's no reason to do so. let's not only carry around a handful of games, but let's carry around a handful of memory cards too.

Sony makes its main profit with the Vita off of the memory cards. Sony uses proprietary memory cards because there is no competition. They control the market. They pulled it with the PSP and what used to be rather expensive produo cards, and with the Go and M2 memory cards. It isn't a new trick of theirs, and it isn't one to be all that surprised by. Most would consider it a good business move to use what is currently an exclusive memory stick, as they are the only company currently marketing off that type of memory (until Sandisk eventually jumps in and starts producing it at some point). The memory card prices will eventually drop anyways, as the Vita becomes cheaper to manufacture. It really isn't as big of a deal as people make it out to be. I rarely hear about those who bought a Vita complaining because they had to buy a memory stick they were going to buy anyways, for a price that is no worse than what other proprietary memory sticks have gone for in the past.

I'm honestly not all that surprised at how much trouble their and will continue to have with the Vita, personally I wish they'd remove off the shelf's and start over with their own ideas and stop stealing others! This system is doing worse than the PSP at launch and after and I don't for see it getting any better in the future, Sony's just gonna keep loosing billions of dollars and firing employees and hoping for the best!

Go design a totally original system that contains no other ideas contained in any other device. See you never. The Vita uses nothing that you don't find most of in any smartphone anymore. People need to stop acting like Sony is an idea stealing monster. Everybody who does that comes across as very stupid, to be entirely blunt.

 

[DiscostewSM]

I think it boils down to this. If 3rd party developers didn't exist, which of the two companies would survive in the handheld department? This is why I think 3rd-party developers are sticking with Nintendo in this case. A safety net if anything because it almost seems a guarantee in comparison that Nintendo can do well without anyone else's help. Sony, on the other had, is too reliant on the 3rd-party developers, and Sony's own offerings can't seem to match up with what Nintendo offers.

 

[chemistryfreak]

Well, I am glad I sold my PSVITA before they drop the price!

 

[Nathan Drake]

I think it boils down to this. If 3rd party developers didn't exist, which of the two companies would survive in the handheld department? This is why I think 3rd-party developers are sticking with Nintendo in this case. A safety net if anything because it almost seems a guarantee in comparison that Nintendo can do well without anyone else's help. Sony, on the other had, is too reliant on the 3rd-party developers, and Sony's own offerings can't seem to match up with what Nintendo offers.

This problem falls back to Sony's approach to gaming, and the market they try to appeal to. They aim for a set audience, generally the young adult crowd, while Nintendo tosses out the same games they have been for nearly 20 years now that appeal to everybody. It's easier to create and market games towards everybody, such as platformers and puzzlers, than it is to turn out action titles, shooters, and RPG's one after another. Despite this though, the PSP still did exceptionally well in Japan, and still does rather well for being a last gen handheld now. With that in mind, the Vita does still have a chance if Sony can get enough systems out there to interest third party developers, and if third party developers will be willing to take a risk.

 

[godreborn]

imo, the biggest problem with the vita is those unnecessary memory cards. with the 3ds, u don't need an sd card at all; even if u did, a 2GB sd card comes packed with the system in the sd card slot. there's no bs software u have to use in order for the computer to read it unlike the vita. that is a serious mistake on sony's part. y create a format that only one uses (i.e. no competition equals no drop in price). that is a very bad business choice. how and where games r played has changed considerably over the past several years. most people want things to be seamless and simply considering, but sony has made it difficult for no reason. that is one of the many reasons the vita has struggled far more than 3ds. it's pretty sad that sony hasn't realized this after the uphill battle it had with the ps3. don't tack on a cost when there's no reason to do so. let's not only carry around a handful of games, but let's carry around a handful of memory cards too.

Sony makes its main profit with the Vita off of the memory cards. Sony uses proprietary memory cards because there is no competition. They control the market. They pulled it with the PSP and what used to be rather expensive produo cards, and with the Go and M2 memory cards. It isn't a new trick of theirs, and it isn't one to be all that surprised by. Most would consider it a good business move to use what is currently an exclusive memory stick, as they are the only company currently marketing off that type of memory (until Sandisk eventually jumps in and starts producing it at some point). The memory card prices will eventually drop anyways, as the Vita becomes cheaper to manufacture. It really isn't as big of a deal as people make it out to be. I rarely hear about those who bought a Vita complaining because they had to buy a memory stick they were going to buy anyways, for a price that is no worse than what other proprietary memory sticks have gone for in the past.

except in this case it's backfiring on them. I would never buy a handheld that required memory cards. that is just a stupid move considering the system is meant to be mobile. it really showcases absolute stupidity. u might as well have a system that has thirty minute battery life or the second coming of the virtual boy in terms of mobility. it's a tremendously bad idea move especially if u factor in the size of psp games if u download them. crisis core is nearly 2 gigs. creating new hardware to combat piracy is an especially bad move (sony even admitted that was the reason for the new format): the ps vita is a series of bad decisions all rolled into one. they should've invested time into software. maybe then the ps vita would've been successful.

 

[MelodieOctavia]

I'll just stick this in the bin along with the rest of the doom-sayer articles I read about any given system. It's not over until it's over, and there's a decent rash of games coming in the next few months.

The opinions of a brand new system by gaming market "experts" ebb and flow like the tides in relation to the moon.

It's not like there won't be any games coming, there's just not that many games NOW, and that will change very soon.

The Vita may not ever sell as well as the 3DS, but it's still a far way away from being knocked out of the game.

 

[Psionic Roshambo]

At least Sony was smart enough not to put a Gran Turismo game on the Vita box.... I am soooo glad I didn't buy a PSP at launch for that game. I was a Gran Turismo addict at that point in time and just the promise of that game almost convinced me to buy it. I think it took like 5 years for the game to come out and when it was released it was pretty bad from what I hear.

 

[Deleted_171835]

lol what a surprise. soulx was the one to post a thread that shines a negative light on something Sony related.

lol what a surprise. soulx posted a news thread that just happened to be about the the Vita.

ON TOPIC: Are they really surprised? The PSP only got third party support in Japan, while third party support was pretty nonexistent most of the time in the west. The PS3 has only had so-so third party support, with a lot of the bigger titles being at least published partially by Sony. Basically, Sony needs to sell some systems themselves first with their own games before they can hope for the third party developers to jump in. The 3DS only has as many games coming from third party developers as it does because of the success of the DS that translated into promise for the 3DS, that has been fulfilled by sales.

The big but here: the Vita has still not even been out for six months in Japan yet, and not even five in the rest of the world. So before anybody goes "the Vita has no gaemz and is gonna die," consider the fact that the Vita still has the ability to create a long life for itself. It might have a rocky first year, but look at the DS: it had a really rocky first year, and it turned into the best selling handheld of all time (though, sales became considerably better with the release of the more attractive Lite). It's just a matter of giving the system time to show its full potential.

The Vita has been out for about 8 months (not 6) in Japan. That's more than enough time to judge how the portable is doing. Comparing the Vita's sales to the DS is extremely dumb. The DS or 3DS has never reached Vita-levels in sales. Even in the DS's first year, it was still doing well.

The PSP only getting third-party support in Japan is nothing new for portables. Fact is, most Western devs don't give a flying shit about handheld systems. It was the same with the GBA, DS and PSP. It's daft to think that was going to change any time soon.

This problem falls back to Sony's approach to gaming, and the market they try to appeal to. They aim for a set audience, generally the young adult crowd, while Nintendo tosses out the same games they have been for nearly 20 years now that appeal to everybody. It's easier to create and market games towards everybody, such as platformers and puzzlers, than it is to turn out action titles, shooters, and RPG's one after another. Despite this though, the PSP still did exceptionally well in Japan, and still does rather well for being a last gen handheld now. With that in mind, the Vita does still have a chance if Sony can get enough systems out there to interest third party developers, and if third party developers will be willing to take a risk.

That's the biggest load of bullshit I've heard. If I'm reading your post correctly, you essentially said that Nintendo systems sell because they rehash casual games while Sony releases unique titles that are harder to market.

That being said, the audience that bought the PSP seems to be melding into the 3DS audience instead of the Vita. And it makes perfect sense. The 3DS already has games from the Resident Evil franchise, Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, Metal Gear Solid, Kingdom Hearts as well as popular Nintendo franchises like a 2D and 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Animal Crossing and Zelda.

It's not an audience problem. It's the lack of popular good games. Before releasing the damn portable, Sony should have secured at least a couple AAA exclusives (an exclusive MGS or Final Fantasy game for instance). Gran Turismo sells a lot, God of War sells a lot. And yet they don't have either of those games in the working.

Everyone who is saying to simply wait for things to fix themselves over time is either deluding themselves or simply doesn't understand the situation the Vita is in. Vita sales are slightly worse than the Dreamcast.

The only hope I see that the handheld has left is with Assassins Creed and Call of Duty (Vita has practically nothing notable coming in 2013). And looking at past handheld iterations of both franchises, I doubt that will do much.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Have you finally come yet soulx or do you need some more "Sony sucks" articles to furiously masturbate to?

 

[EyeZ]

The memory card issue is a major factor for me and probably a lot of gamers, when you consider the cost of the Vita and the memory card, that makes a big difference to the initial outlay.

I would like a Vita, it looks a great piece of kit, i held off from buying one at launch mainly due to having my fingers burnt with another handheld launch.

Looking at the situation the Vita is in now, i'm glad i didn't make the purchase (yet).

 

[DragorianSword]

Oh well, I'll pick up the few good games there are/are coming and with some luck it will be hacked, they make a PS2-emulator for it and I can still play the heck out of it.
I got it pretty cheap anyway.

 

[Deleted_171835]

The memory card issue is a major factor for me and probably a lot of gamers, when you consider the cost of the Vita and the memory card, that makes a big difference to the initial outlay.

I would like a Vita, it looks a great piece of kit, i held off from buying one at launch mainly due to having my fingers burnt with another handheld launch.

Looking at the situation the Vita is in now, i'm glad i didn't make the purchase (yet).

Issue with the memory card is that Sony needs it to make money since the Vita is being sold at a loss. It certainly raises the initial cost of the device but I don't think there's much they can do about it.

 

[EyeZ]

It wouldn't be a sarcastic surprise if every "news" thread you posted wasn't A) something saying how great the 3DS is or B) something saying how bad the Vita is. You're very niche or selective when it comes to news. If you need some help diversifying your RSS feed I'll give you a few tips.

Have you finally come or do you need more "Sony sucks" articles to furiously masturbate to?

I've posted like three threads on the 3DS and/or Vita's sales and that makes me selective in posting news? Excuuuse me for posting the news.

And this is precisely why I added that bit in the OP that you removed, @TwinRetro. Quit shitting up the thread.

The memory card issue is a major factor for me and probably a lot of gamers, when you consider the cost of the Vita and the memory card, that makes a big difference to the initial outlay.

I would like a Vita, it looks a great piece of kit, i held off from buying one at launch mainly due to having my fingers burnt with another handheld launch.

Looking at the situation the Vita is in now, i'm glad i didn't make the purchase (yet).

Issue with the memory card is that Sony needs it to make money since the Vita is being sold at a loss. It certainly raises the initial cost of the device but I don't think there's much they can do about it.

I understand that, but it doesn't warm over potentials purchasers.