Miyamoto: Sony should learn from Nintendo's mistakes

[emigre]

God, this thread is pathetic.

 

[TripleSMoon]

Nintendo should learn for Sony that one analog control is a poor choice.

Anyway he's right, nothing to disregard him.

This. 3DS revision, people?

And speaking as a fully admitted Nintendo fanboy (who at least TRIES to remain fair in talks like this), I gotta say, I have all the available 3DS games I want right now (except for maybe 1 or 2, and some that haven't come out yet), and my library adds up to a grand total of...

7 games. and at least 1 of them is a game most people seemed to hate (Spider-Man: Edge of Time 3D).

There's really no way to deny that the 3DS needs WAY more games, and good 3rd party games at that. The fact that I have those 7 games and that's (ALL BUT ONE OR TWO that I want at all that are currently available) is very telling that Nintendo took their sweet time with good games on the system. It's been out for well over a year, and its library speaks like it's only been out for less than 6 months. That's bad.

And since I don't own a Vita (and have owned no Sony consoles since the PS1), I can't really comment there.

 

[CrimzonEyed]

another console war?

*hide's in EOF bunker*

 

[TripleSMoon]

another console war?

*hide's in EOF bunker*

 

[Wizerzak]

We don't disagree. It's the fact that he's in no postition to say it since the 3DS wasn't better at launch time.

Yeah and he never said the 3DS was better. In fact, he said the contrary.

"When we launched the 3DS hardware we didn't have Super Mario 3D Land, we didn't have Mario Kart 7, we didn't have Kid Icarus: Uprising," he said. "We were striving to have all of these ready for the launch, but we weren't able to deliver them at that time.

"We were kind of hoping that people would, nevertheless, buy into the product, find 3DS hardware promising, but looking back we have to say we realise the key software was missing when we launched the hardware."

I guess Gravity Rush, Metal Gear Solid Collection, LittleBigPlanet, Persona 4 Golden, Ragnarok Odyssey and Orgarhythm aren't coming to Vita.

MGS: HD Collection - Port.
Persona 4 The Golden - Port/Remake

I'll give you the other games but if you only have 4 notable upcoming games for your platform, there's a problem.

Perhaps, but the 3DS is in no better position than the Vita right now. There are only idk, 3 or 4 worthwhile games? It may sell like hotcakes in Japan, but there are only a few handful of games that aren't shovelware.

1. SM3DL
2. Mario Kart 7
3. LoZ: OoT
4. Starfox 64
5. DoA: Dimensions
6. Pushmo
7. Tetris
8. Cave Story
9. Bit. Trip Saga
10. Rhythm Thief
11. Kid Icarus
12. Resident Evil: Revelations
13. MGS
14. Mutant Mudds
15. SSFIV
16. VVVVVV

And more on the horizon, plus some other games that personally I'm not interested in so I can never remember what they are.

 

[Master Mo]

I think launching a system without one first party killer app shipped with it or being available day one is stupid. No matter what company it is...

When I get a new system I always get two games and there is still space for a good third party games. I think first parties should not always be so careful about third parties, since they'll automatically will come on board when the installbase is there and then first parties might as well do a little less support.

For example PilotWings was not enough at launch for the 3DS though nobody should expect something like 3DLand as well.

EDIT: Dude, some things in this post were so wrong. Damn these iPads

 

[TripleSMoon]

Agreed. They should have at least had StarFox or Zelda 3D ready for launch (remember what Super Mario 64 DS did for the original DS?)

 

[Carnivean]

Personally I find there's a great lack of titles to give a fuck about on either platform, the vita is mostly just games I'd rather play on an actual console thus far and outside of SM3DL and MK7 I've pretty much no interest in the majority of the 3DS titles.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

The 3DS had an awful line-up for launch. The Vita had a great one. It hasn't had a holiday slot for most anywhere yet so it's not gonna get a software flood like the 3DS did. Even then, I hate to point it out, but the Vita and the 3DS are getting basically the same amount of noteworthy titles per month.

The difference is the Vita has absolutely nothing notable on the horizon. They blew it all on the lineup whereas the 3DS has a number of good upcoming games.

Despite the fact both systems are basically having an equal quantity of good games coming out per month? Also, the 3DS had an E3 to announce stuff. The Vita didn't get one yet.

Remember, soulx: not a fanboy.

It's only necessary for games like FPS' really. Maybe wide open adventure type games too, but not all. I'm not saying it's obsolete either, I'm saying not everything has to have it.

It's hilarious that you think that. Almost any game with a moveable camera should have a second analog stick. And most every game should have a moveable camera.

 

[emigre]

The 3DS had an awful line-up for launch. The Vita had a great one. It hasn't had a holiday slot for most anywhere yet so it's not gonna get a software flood like the 3DS did. Even then, I hate to point it out, but the Vita and the 3DS are getting basically the same amount of noteworthy titles per month.

The difference is the Vita has absolutely nothing notable on the horizon. They blew it all on the lineup whereas the 3DS has a number of good upcoming games.

Despite the fact both systems are basically having an equal quantity of good games coming out per month? Also, the 3DS had an E3 to announce stuff. The Vita didn't get one yet.

Remember, soulsnatcher: not a fanboy.

Fixed.

 

[gamefan5]

We don't disagree. It's the fact that he's in no postition to say it since the 3DS wasn't better at launch time.

Yeah and he never said the 3DS was better. In fact, he said the contrary.

"When we launched the 3DS hardware we didn't have Super Mario 3D Land, we didn't have Mario Kart 7, we didn't have Kid Icarus: Uprising," he said. "We were striving to have all of these ready for the launch, but we weren't able to deliver them at that time.

"We were kind of hoping that people would, nevertheless, buy into the product, find 3DS hardware promising, but looking back we have to say we realise the key software was missing when we launched the hardware."

I guess Gravity Rush, Metal Gear Solid Collection, LittleBigPlanet, Persona 4 Golden, Ragnarok Odyssey and Orgarhythm aren't coming to Vita.

MGS: HD Collection - Port.
Persona 4 The Golden - Port/Remake

I'll give you the other games but if you only have 4 notable upcoming games for your platform, there's a problem.

Perhaps, but the 3DS is in no better position than the Vita right now. There are only idk, 3 or 4 worthwhile games? It may sell like hotcakes in Japan, but there are only a few handful of games that aren't shovelware.

1. SM3DL
2. Mario Kart 7
3. LoZ: OoT
4. Starfox 64
5. DoA: Dimensions
6. Pushmo
7. Tetris
8. Cave Story
9. Bit. Trip Saga
10. Rhythm Thief
11. Kid Icarus
12. Resident Evil: Revelations
13. MGS
14. Mutant Mudds
15. SSFIV
16. VVVVVV

And more on the horizon, plus some other games that personally I'm not interested in so I can never remember what they are.

And sadly, most of them are remakes. Don't get me wrong, those are GOOD games indeed XD. But there needs to be lots more games that can can take advantage of the 3DS capabilities. Something that it is lacking, which is NORMAL now since it's only been 1 year. I just think Miyamoto wasn't in the position of saying it NOW. Now I'm not that the vita is better 'cause it's not. Both consoles suffers the same problems at this point.

 

[Fibrizo]

I like what Foxi4 and CO is doing he knows the Psvita is doing bad but what t does he do to pass his arguments well easy say both system are bad that’s a typical fanboy for you .

The Fact is the vita is not doing so good the thing is over price and it lacks games it flop in Japan and is going the same road on the west hopefully E3 will give us some news on actual games for it.

 

[GameWinner]

I like what Foxi4 and CO is doing he knows the Psvita is doing bad but what t does he do to pass his arguments well easy say both system are bad that’s a typical fanboy for you .

The Fact is the vita is not doing so good the thing is over price and it lacks games it flop in Japan and is going the same road on the west hopefully E3 will give us some news on actual games for it.

Huh? The Vita just came out back in February (International). You can't really expect much yet (Until E3 rolls around).

 

[Foxi4]

I like what Foxi4 and CO is doing he knows the Psvita is doing bad but what t does he do to pass his arguments well easy say both system are bad that’s a typical fanboy for you .

The Fact is the vita is not doing so good the thing is over price and it lacks games it flop in Japan and is going the same road on the west hopefully E3 will give us some news on actual games for it.

I'm not saying that both systems are bad, I'm saying that both systems have strong and weak points - that's an entirely different story. As of today, neither has "a whole lot" of interesting games just yet but both have good games coming up for'em. As for overpricing, I don't think the Vita is overpriced at all - it's probably the strongest portable device of this form factor on the market as of today. The 3DS was launched with the same pricetag and nobody seemed to mind. The 3DS recieved a price cut because there was leeway for it, with the Vita there is none.

How does the Vita lack games by the way? I'm interested in an equal amount of Vita and 3DS games, personally. The fact that the 3DS's library is larger doesn't mean that it has more interesting games.

 

[Deleted_171835]

MGS: HD Collection - Port.

MGS: Naked Snake 3DS = 20FPS Remake sold full-price
MGS: HD Collection Vita = Metal Gear Solid 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake = 4 games for the price of 1

I wonder what's a better deal...

Also, this and Persona 4 aren't the only "notable games" comming for the Vita y'know.

Why are you bringing up Snake Eater 3D?

And the Vita version actually only has MGS2 and MGS3. Still a good deal, though.

Spoiler

But to be frank, any version of MGS3 is worth $999,999.

The 3DS had an awful line-up for launch. The Vita had a great one. It hasn't had a holiday slot for most anywhere yet so it's not gonna get a software flood like the 3DS did. Even then, I hate to point it out, but the Vita and the 3DS are getting basically the same amount of noteworthy titles per month.

The difference is the Vita has absolutely nothing notable on the horizon. They blew it all on the lineup whereas the 3DS has a number of good upcoming games.

Despite the fact both systems are basically having an equal quantity of good games coming out per month? Also, the 3DS had an E3 to announce stuff. The Vita didn't get one yet.

Remember, soulx: not a fanboy.

They certainly do not have an equal quantity of upcoming games. There are a lot more notable 3DS games coming then there are Vita games not to mention that the 3DS already has it's so-called killer app. Even in E3 2010, we knew about more upcoming 3DS games than we did with Vita games. And that's an issue. The Vita isn't selling horribly because of the price. It's selling horribly because of a lack of games. The exact same reason the 3DS didn't do well when it first came out.

When the only game Sony announces at their Vita web broadcast is Phantasy Star Online 2, that's a problem.

 

[emigre]

Why are you bringing up Snake Eater 3D?

And the Vita version actually only has MGS2 and MGS3. Still a good deal, though.

No, it also has MG and MG2.

 

[Deleted_171835]

Why are you bringing up Snake Eater 3D?

And the Vita version actually only has MGS2 and MGS3. Still a good deal, though.

No, it also has MG and MG2.

The Vita version only has those two games.

 

[emigre]

Why are you bringing up Snake Eater 3D?

And the Vita version actually only has MGS2 and MGS3. Still a good deal, though.

No, it also has MG and MG2.

The Vita version only has those two games.

 

[Coto]

I don't know about you, I stick for facts and not opinions to how other people see it. That are remakes no matter how you look into it, nothing's gonna change that.

But that doesn't change the issue that they are shitty "rehashes" (or remakes, whatever).

But they're still selling like hotcakes, so games, ports or whatever they are they're doing much better than Vita's sales. And they aren't that cheap you know

-

Anyway, I'd have a Vita because of its hardware and capabilities, and a 3DS because of some games

 

[Deleted_171835]

~snip

Oh, didn't know.

Well I guess that makes it an even better deal?