Miyamoto: Sony should learn from Nintendo's mistakes

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"It's obviously a very hi-spec machine, and you can do lots of things with it," he said of Vita, which launched in Japan last December and in the west in late February. "But I don't really see the combination of software and hardware that really makes a very strong product."

3DS, however, has been Japan's best-selling hardware every single week since last August's price cut - and Miyamoto admits it was a lack of software that held back Nintendo's glasses-free 3D handheld.

"When we launched the 3DS hardware we didn't have Super Mario 3D Land, we didn't have Mario Kart 7, we didn't have Kid Icarus: Uprising," he said. "We were striving to have all of these ready for the launch, but we weren't able to deliver them at that time.

"We were kind of hoping that people would, nevertheless, buy into the product, find 3DS hardware promising, but looking back we have to say we realise the key software was missing when we launched the hardware."




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From the one and only Mr. Miyamoto. Software is the key to selling hardware, whether it is the Vita, 3DS, or something else (but we all knew that). What is important is to know this when going into the next generation.

In before people feel compelled to say that this is an attack on Sony.
 
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"But I don't really see the combination of software and hardware that really makes a very strong product."
Because the 3DS's library is better and totally not full of ports.

"When we launched the 3DS hardware we didn't have Super Mario 3D Land, we didn't have Mario Kart 7, we didn't have Kid Icarus: Uprising"
Because those are killer apps not just for Nintendo fans and have a wide-spread appeal.

"We were kind of hoping that people would, nevertheless, buy into the product, find 3DS hardware promising, but looking back we have to say we realise the key software was missing when we launched the hardware."
Nope, it was just grossly overpriced.
 

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I don't see his criticisms as valid.

The 3DS had an awful line-up for launch. The Vita had a great one. It hasn't had a holiday slot for most anywhere yet so it's not gonna get a software flood like the 3DS did. Even then, I hate to point it out, but the Vita and the 3DS are getting basically the same amount of noteworthy titles per month.
 
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"When we launched the 3DS hardware we didn't have Super Mario 3D Land, we didn't have Mario Kart 7, we didn't have Kid Icarus: Uprising"
Because those are killer apps not just for Nintendo fans and have a wide-spread appeal.
I have a problem with your whole (ok maybe just 2/3) post,but this just irks me.

Never mind, you are right, 'cause you got %100 proof that these games don't got wide-spread appeal and there is no way that some people can like the games despite it being from Nintendo.

Even then, that besides the point, killer "apps" are killer "apps".
 
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I don't see his criticisms as valid.

The 3DS had an awful line-up for launch. The Vita had a great one. It hasn't had a holiday slot for most anywhere yet so it's not gonna get a software flood like the 3DS did. Even then, I hate to point it out, but the Vita and the 3DS are getting basically the same amount of noteworthy titles per month.
Every single launch in the history of gaming was pretty bad minus like Dreamcast and Xbox 1, Vita still to this day has very few Good titles.
 
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"But I don't really see the combination of software and hardware that really makes a very strong product."
Because the 3DS's library is better and totally not full of ports.

That's heavy bro, you pushing my limits as well with that line. OOT, Starfox are remakes, heck lets just call MGS 3D a port while we are at it, even though the developer claimed it was a full remake from scratch, no it looks and plays shit, so must be a port. Heck they are all ports.

Why don't you use a better technical term such as 'rehash' of the same games we have played before. ;) Chose your words wisely foxi and that is all.
 

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That's heavy bro, you pushing my limits as well with that line. OOT, Starfox are remakes, heck lets just call MGS 3D a port while we are at it, even though the developer claimed it was a full remake from scratch, no it looks and plays shit, so must be a port. Heck they are all ports.

Why don't you use a better technical term such as 'rehash' of the same games we have played before. ;) Chose your words wisely foxi and that is all.

Names aside, they're either shitty remakes or cash in ports. People who rail on the whole "THEY'RE REMAKES NOT PORTS" when it really doesn't matter are just avoiding the main issue here.
 
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That's heavy bro, you pushing my limits as well with that line. OOT, Starfox are remakes, heck lets just call MGS 3D a port while we are at it, even though the developer claimed it was a full remake from scratch, no it looks and plays shit, so must be a port. Heck they are all ports.

Why don't you use a better technical term such as 'rehash' of the same games we have played before. ;) Chose your words wisely foxi and that is all.

Names aside, they're either shitty remakes or cash in ports. People who rail on the whole "THEY'RE REMAKES NOT PORTS" when it really doesn't matter are just avoiding the main issue here.
I don't know about you, I stick for facts and not opinions to how other people see it. That are remakes no matter how you look into it, nothing's gonna change that.
 

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"But I don't really see the combination of software and hardware that really makes a very strong product."
Because the 3DS's library is better and totally not full of ports.

That's heavy bro, you pushing my limits as well with that line. OOT, Starfox are remakes, heck lets just call MGS 3D a port while we are at it, even though the developer claimed it was a full remake from scratch, no it looks and plays shit, so must be a port. Heck they are all ports.

Why don't you use a better technical term such as 'rehash' of the same games we have played before. ;) Chose your words wisely foxi and that is all.
You gotta admit though, OOT3D was a crap port. All they did was stick in new graphics. No bonuses or goodies.
Starfox 3D was just a cash port, and I don't even know why they decided to remake it...
 

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I don't know about you, I stick for facts and not opinions to how other people see it. That are remakes no matter how you look into it, nothing's gonna change that.

But that doesn't change the issue that they are shitty "rehashes" (or remakes, whatever).
I don't disagree with you, they are technically remakes but rehashes of the same games over and over again. ;)
 

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Okay, fine:

BlazBlue: Continuum Shift 2 - PORT
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D - LAZY REMAKE
Metal Gear Solid 3 3D - LAZY REMAKE
Monster Hunter Tri G - PORT WITH EXTRA CONTENT
Myst - PORT OF AN AGED GAME (Comming Soon)
Rayman 3D - PORT
Splinter Cell 3D - PORT
Devil Survivor: Overclocked - PORT WITH EXTRA CONTENT (Which should've been released on the DS anyways, I don't see how it validates a 3DS release)
Starfox 64 - LAZY REMAKE
Street Fighter IV - PORT WITH EXTRA CONTENT

Now please hurry to correct me.
 
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Okay, fine:

BlazBlue: Continuum Shift 2 - PORT
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D - LAZY REMAKE
Metal Gear Solid 3 3D - LAZY REMAKE
Monster Hunter Tri G - PORT WITH EXTRA CONTENT
Myst - PORT OF AN AGED GAME (Comming Soon)
Rayman 3D - PORT
Splinter Cell 3D - PORT
Devil Survivor: Overclocked - PORT WITH EXTRA CONTENT (Which should've been released on the DS anyways, I don't see how it validates a 3DS release)
Starfox 64 - LAZY REMAKE
Street Fighter IV - PORT WITH EXTRA CONTENT

Now please hurry to correct me.
Everything here is all true.
 

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Everything here is all true.
Did you guys notice that Myst in particular has been released on just about any platform after its initial release and at this point it's not ever entertaining anymore, let alone a valid purchase?

Where are those people who buy Myst? I mean, it has to bring some sort of profit if they keep on porting it...
 

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Okay, fine:

BlazBlue: Continuum Shift 2 - PORT
Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D - LAZY REMAKE
Metal Gear Solid 3 3D - LAZY REMAKE
Monster Hunter Tri G - PORT WITH EXTRA CONTENT
Myst - PORT OF AN AGED GAME (Comming Soon)
Rayman 3D - PORT
Splinter Cell 3D - PORT
Devil Survivor: Overclocked - PORT WITH EXTRA CONTENT (Which should've been released on the DS anyways, I don't see how it validates a 3DS release)
Starfox 64 - LAZY REMAKE
Street Fighter IV - PORT WITH EXTRA CONTENT

Now please hurry to correct me.
With over 70+ 3DS games released, yes they are (nearly) all ports like you claimed. :ninja:

So, you are telling me Vita has no ports? XD
 
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Everything here is all true.
Did you guys notice that Myst in particular has been released on just about any platform after its initial release and at this point it's not ever entertaining anymore, let alone a valid purchase?

Where are those people who buy Myst? I mean, it has to bring some sort of profit if they keep on porting it...
And every single time it is re-released, the ratings got worse...
 

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Street Fighter IV - PORT WITH EXTRA CONTENT

Technically it doesn't even have the content for Arcade Edition so I do love bashing it for that.
It has that new thingamajig "over the shoulder view", so I treated that as "Exclusive Content for the platform".

So, you are telling me Vita has no ports? XD
Why bring the Vita into the chit-chat? We're talking about the 3DS here.

My point is that Miyamoto criticizes the competitor for a crime his own system is also guilty of. He's being hypocritical and pretends there's no issue with the 3DS's software line-up when it's getting saturated with ports while new, good games like Rayman Origins have issues with getting to the platform.

Do note that most good games on the platform are ports or remakes. By the way, I never claimed that all of them are, only that the library does contain ports too.
 

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Everything here is all true.
Did you guys notice that Myst in particular has been released on just about any platform after its initial release and at this point it's not ever entertaining anymore, let alone a valid purchase?

Where are those people who buy Myst? I mean, it has to bring some sort of profit if they keep on porting it...

Honestly, the last time I "bought" Myst, it came bundled with with my Windows 98 machine.
 
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