[RUMOR] CoD: Black Ops 2 in development

[Gahars]

Gun physics? That seems like a pretty vague complaint to dismiss an entire series with; could you elaborate? How is the shooting in Halo any more complex?

And using Halo as a positive example? Okay, I'm going to leave my feelings on that franchise out of this because it's irrelevant, but that process is pretty much exactly what goes on with the Call of Duty series. Now, Treyarch is a lot better at this than Infinity Ward (no one is disputing that), but you're not making a clear distinction for why one franchise is so horrible and why another is so great.

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[DinohScene]

As I said before I've seen a lot of gameplay on the internet and saw a lot of it from people in real life.

I think that that is more then enough to draw a conclusion for not liking the game.

Doesn't anyone watches let's play's and gameplay footage before they go out and buy a game?

 

[Gahars]

As I said before I've seen a lot of gameplay on the internet and saw a lot of it from people in real life.

I think that that is more then enough to draw a conclusion for not liking the game.

Doesn't anyone watches let's play's and gameplay footage before they go out and buy a game?

Oh God, it's gone circular.

And no, it isn't. Watching a Let's Play can be a great to see what a game is like, sure, but you can't judge the thing until you've played it yourself. After all, you can't criticize the finer details of a book by it's abridged version alone, right?

If you're going to judge something, you should know it, not just know of it.

 

[Foxi4]

If you're going to judge something, you should know it, not just know of it.

I would love to agree with you, as I usually do, but in this case I can't, at least not in 100%.

When I walk down the street and see a log of dog poo, I don't exactly have to kneel down, smell it, have a little taste and compare it to other delicacies to be 100% certain that it is indeed dog poo - I can see that it's quite bad.

Now's the time for my opinion:

The Call of Duty series are admittedly repetitive in nature. Unfortunatelly, unlike in the case of Halo, this is very hard if not impossible to avoid because they're based on the same engine AND they're all war games. They revolve around war. They have guns. That's the extent of repetitiveness.

The developers add new campaigns, tackle different conflicts and add different weapon sets - it's hard to accuse them of not trying out new things, they are indeed trying some.

If someone wants to argue that the formula has not changed one bit and it became stale then so be it - I usually say that the formula of Pokemon hasn't changed since the day the first game was released and yet people still cry out an unstoppable stream of praise for the games for reasons to me completely unknown.

The CoD formula hasn't been changed much because *it's a winning formula*. Video games are very much a buisness, it's pointless to change something that sells better than cure for cancer just because a few gamers nag. At the end of the day, the games are solid, especially when you consider the multiplayer aspects of the game.

UNFORTUNATELLY...

CoD games have one aspect in-common that spoils pretty much all the fun connected with them. This aspect is the CoD fanbase, which very much like in the case of Halo consists mostly of underage t*ats screaming into the microphone utterances unmannerly in nature. These gamers are not exactly concerned about the tactical values of matches or the general goal of each map - what counts is the final score, who showed who his 1337'ness etc. etc. while being obnoxious throughout the process.

Due to this specific group, which seems to be the great majority of the players using CoD servers, STUPID add-ons with STUPID overpowered perks are added on and on again, so that the 1337 kids feel more 1337 and buy the next installment. That is the cancer of the series, and one that will not be removed. Why? Because the game will sell worse. Would it make the game any better? Not sure. Some perks are actually fun to use.

Some people like grapefruits, others like oranges. At the end of the day, you have to approach the game and spend some time with it to judge. Nobody's telling you to finish it from cover to cover (i.e "have a taste of the poop"), just look at it objectively and make a judgement.

 

[Gahars]

If you're going to judge something, you should know it, not just know of it.

I would love to agree with you, as I usually do, but in this case I can't, at least not in 100%.

When I walk down the street and see a log of dog poo, I don't exactly have to kneel down, smell it, have a little taste and compare it to other delicacies to be 100% certain that it is indeed dog poo - I can see that it's quite bad.

Perhaps I should have been a bit more specific with what I meant.

While poop is simple enough that your automatic reaction is justified (though sadly, there are people who would disagree with you on that), artistic mediums aren't poop (unless you're painting on canvas with the poop, but that's something else entirely).

Art in all its forms, whether it be film, book, or videogame, are much more complex than a sidewalk turd. They have finer intricacies that a mere glance alone can't reveal; after all, you can't judge a book by its cover. So really, I'd say that your analogy just breaks down into a steamy mess and can't be really applied to this situation.

Revised: When it comes to something as complex and dynamic as art, if you are going to judge it in its entiriety, you should know it, not just know of it.

 

[Foxi4]

Did you read the entirety of my post or just this beginning? I believe I didn't get my point straight enough if that's how you comment upon it.

What I meant is - a closer inspection of the product may be enough to form an opinion, you don't have to devour the whole. Hope that's clearer.

 

[Gahars]

Did you read the entirety of my post or just this beginning? I believe I didn't get my point straight enough if that's how you comment upon it.

What I meant is - a closer inspection of the product may be enough to form an opinion, you don't have to devour the whole. Hope that's clearer.

I did, I was just focusing on my fundamental problems with the opinion the analogy was expressing. First though, I should clarify what I meant some more. By "know it", I'm not saying that you should 100% a game to form an opinion; by know it, I meant (at the very least) play the game at hand, not just experience it second hand (Just watching a Let's Play, reading a review, etc.).

Disliking an aspect without playing it, depending on the particular aspect, is fine (For example, I don't like Skyward Sword's art style), but I'm not going to decide if I like or dislike a game based on that alone. I would want to play it first before deciding how I feel using the controls, how the plot progresses, if it's fun, etc.

So disliking an entire franchise based off of some time in one game (The issue at hand with Dinohscene)? Yeah, I would say that isn't valid.

 

[FireGrey]

Why is this bad? Black Ops was good.

For a CoD game it had a good enough story. It has an interesting time period and even enjoys sprinkling some good ol' fun with a rather expansive Zombies mode as well as Easter Eggs like Dead Ops Arcade and stuff like that. Modern Warfare 3 is just... Modern Warfare 2 which is just... Modern Warfare.

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Black Ops was my favorite, but I highly doubt that they will name the next Treyarch game Black Ops 2, there may be a sequel but it would probably be called something else.
There are rumors floating around the internet that the next CoD game will be medievil, not sure how reliable that is though.

 

[The Milkman]

This thread is full of so much bashing flamming truth, I liked all the posts.

 

[PyroSpark]

Cool. Can't wait.

 

[NES SNES V.B. N64 G.C. Wii WiiU]

Call of Duty is cool, but it gets repetitive when they release a new game every year (or more).

 

[ShadowSoldier]

I get that there are yearly installments, but I really don't think there should be. For sports games, I understand. As not everybody has online and can download the latest rosters and such. But CoD really needs to take a break for at least 2-3 years, no matter how good it is. Activision is too focused on CoD that their other games are suffering. I would love for them to bring back, PROPERLY, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater.

 

[Fear Zoa]

I dislike what CoD has become, and I liked the first 4 games but the online is ruined by the community. CoD has such a terrible community backing it that I can't be bothered to play online

 

[gokujr1000]

I'd rather Treyarch keep making games that have different titles and timeline periods but with characters from previous games returning to the current title. Just like how they brought back characters from Call of Duty 5 to Black Ops.

If your going to make a new game from the same series every year might as well make them different and interesting.

 

[Hells Malice]

I get that there are yearly installments, but I really don't think there should be. For sports games, I understand. As not everybody has online and can download the latest rosters and such. But CoD really needs to take a break for at least 2-3 years, no matter how good it is. Activision is too focused on CoD that their other games are suffering. I would love for them to bring back, PROPERLY, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater.

Other games?
They dropped their other games like bad habits.
Even Guitar Hero, which took a small effort for pretty good sales.
Nope, not easy enough to pump out. Dropped. If they can't release a multimillion dollar game with a 1 man team, it ain't profitable enough.

 

[Foxi4]

Did you read the entirety of my post or just this beginning? I believe I didn't get my point straight enough if that's how you comment upon it.

What I meant is - a closer inspection of the product may be enough to form an opinion, you don't have to devour the whole. Hope that's clearer.

I did, I was just focusing on my fundamental problems with the opinion the analogy was expressing. First though, I should clarify what I meant some more. By "know it", I'm not saying that you should 100% a game to form an opinion; by know it, I meant (at the very least) play the game at hand, not just experience it second hand (Just watching a Let's Play, reading a review, etc.).

Disliking an aspect without playing it, depending on the particular aspect, is fine (For example, I don't like Skyward Sword's art style), but I'm not going to decide if I like or dislike a game based on that alone. I would want to play it first before deciding how I feel using the controls, how the plot progresses, if it's fun, etc.

So disliking an entire franchise based off of some time in one game (The issue at hand with Dinohscene)? Yeah, I would say that isn't valid.

Then in that respect I agree, can't tell if a cake is good or not if you didn't take a single bite. Unless you don't like cakes altogether.

 

[Deleted User]

So you don't need to play games anymore to judge them? Huh, I must have missed that development.

There's nothing wrong with disliking a game, but you should play it first instead of dismissing it because, hey, that's the cool thing to do now.

When the game has been the same for the past 5 years, you can judge it without buying it.

 

[Deleted member 473940]

just beasuse
the domain has been bought
the game may still not be in development
it like the same the same thing as
squre buying the
finalfantasyxiii-3.com domain

Publisher and companies buy domain
so they have it if needed, so they will not need to buy it off someone
and so
the same thing that append with EA and the SSX.com domain name (see here
will not the happpen with them

Did you try to write a poem o.O?

Anyway, I agree though.

 

[Gahars]

So you don't need to play games anymore to judge them? Huh, I must have missed that development.

There's nothing wrong with disliking a game, but you should play it first instead of dismissing it because, hey, that's the cool thing to do now.

When the game has been the same for the past 5 years, you can judge it without buying it.

Except that really isn't the case, so yeah, this seems like a perfect demonstration of my point.

 

[SparkFenix]

Black Ops' zombie mode was awesome, but doesn't make up for the whole series.
I know you can't change much in a game like this, but if you can't change much with each game why release a new one every year?
Adding a few weapons and maps and calling it a new game, have we gotten to the point where DLC is considered an entire game (especially worth 60€).
Don't get me wrong, each game on it's own is good, but you really only need to buy one.