Socialism = slavery to the government. You give them most of the money you work for and they decide how best to spend it. Liberals really are about micro managing every aspect of life for people. Telling what to eat, what to buy, what to look at, all for your own good. It's really fashistic. We must remember that Hitler was a socialist. All the worst actors in modern history were ether socialites or communists. It's all about control, money, and, power. On the other side you have personal and economic freedom. And I have to ad that it was under Bush and the Republicans that America was set on this disastrous path buy putting two wars and new entitlements on our national credit card. So it's not a one part issue it's both.
I'll tell you another thing it drives me nuts to have to pay for the health care of obese people who can't stop stuffing their mouths with shit and become diabetic. I chafe at the thought that I'm paying for my neighbors kids because that slut is using getting pregnant as a career path. Now I can't afford to have another child because I have to pay for everyone else's. I have to pay to keep a roof over some drug addicts head that lives down the street. I'm the one who gets penalized for working hard and being responsible. I'm all for safety nets, but not for subsidizing irresponsible behavior and that's what socialism does. The best intensions always have the worst consequences.Dude, do you have any idea what socialism is? You're the exact problem everyone here is discussing. I'll be honest, I didn't read anything after that sentence. You know why? It's probably all bullshit. You DO know that while the US is mostly following capitalistic ideologies, we've had a mixed economy for years? A mixed economy is a mixture between (in most cases of mixed economies) socialism and capitalism. What the hell do you think Medicare and Medicaid are? One-hundred percent industries completely inspired by capitalism? Absolutely not. What about public school? I'm not sure if there are federal laws on public schools, but every single state controls their public schools, as well as their public universities.
Jamstruth said:
Uncle FEFL said:
-It's called Imperialism. We aren't even the first country to do it. Before World War I, the four superpowers of Europe (in my opinion) were the complete and utter assholes of the world. It is because of Europe's mistakes our government felt a need to impose themselves in Europe's agenda. Look at the League of Nations after WWI: a complete failure. The United Nations was 100x more powerful because we were in it. Later called NATO, by the way (IIRC).
UN is not NATO. NATO is a seperate entity from the UN and is a lot smaller. NATO stands for Northern Atlantic Treaty Organisation and comprises of most of Europe and North America. The UN is a much bigger organisation comprising of many of the world's countries.
Also I love how you're so self important in America "Everything sucks unless we're in it" -_-
OK, thanks. I was mixing them up a little bit.
Er, those were only a few instances. I'm sorry if it came off that way, but I'm sure many countries in Europe can handle problems by themselves nowadays. Who knows, we may not have been very strong either if we were involved in the two World Wars from the start like countries in Europe have been.
QUOTE(Pliskron @ Mar 22 2010, 11:28 AM)
You're a fucking idiot. The state education system had been a failure. Social programs have been a failure. Social Security is bankrupt. I'm all for safety nets but not for funding all the bullshit that just makes people lazy and unproductive. Yes it is harder for me to become a millionaire when the government takes more that 50% of my income and lines the pockets of their political supporters then gives the rest to stupid bitches that can't be bothered to use birth control because they know they'll get my money. Thats the real social injustice. Any yes Hitler was a socialist he was head of the national socialist party. Yes socialists do tell you what to eat. They're trying to ban salt in restaurants right now. Yes they do tell you what to think. Look at the speech codes in schools. I can't own a skunk, or a double edged knife not that I want ether but tell me thats not micro managing a persons life.
I'll leave you with a quote from Ben Franklin
“I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” – Ben Franklin
