Hacking Why add anti-piracy measures to Devolution ?

[Maxternal]

It generally tends to be based on personal morals which this thread has shown very well that attempts to defend such are rather futile (especially on the Internet)

Which morals are you referring? The ones that support "piracy is wrong" uphold the law... blah blah blah? Or the the ones that do not recognize those laws and will not be subjugated by them, I am free... blah blah blah?

I think attempts to defend both sides have fallen on deaf ears, actually. Typical Internet argument.
I would say, though, (obviously) that [member=tueidj'] simply fits into the first category of morals you mentioned.

 

[Wiisel]

Thanks for providing this information. It should be useful for WODE owners. Maybe WODE rips do not include the BCA?

WODE only rips and uses Wii BCA even with a 1:1 GC rip with BCA the WODE spits the iso, either the emulation needs some work or its not handling the BCA.
Devo is only really useful to WODE owners for the few games that use streaming audio

 

[crono141]

Maybe I'm old but I tired of the rants on both sides. Mods don't you think this has gone on long enough?

If you're tired of it then stop reading the topic. Why should someone else's ability to speak on a topic be removed because you're tired of hearing about it?

 

[DEFIANT]

Dead horse...beating...look it up. I can provide pictures if you like.

And would you look at that... I misspelled "I'm", hmmm.

 

[tmv_josue]

Yeah, reminds me of a certain ass-kissing dude

Exactly... there must be some seriously brown lips around here....

Stop there kids, after, you two complain/rant when someone is "rude/tough" with you.

 

[wiismodrome]

Need I post YET AGAIN that there have been multiple discussions and experiments in relation to finding out how the AP works? Some of which I have commented on or taken part in? It hasn't been that long since this thread started, you couldn't have forgotten already... the posts with the hex dumps, people swapping around files, the talk of which hashes may or may not be checked, and even the talk just a page ago about which drive emulation hardware could bypass the check?

Yes, people have been talking about how the AP works... probably because they are interested to understand how it works. Even you mentioned an interest in this. And why not discuss whether or not WODE works, as that provides another data point regarding which hardware is or is not working with the program. If Devolution is incompatible with WODE's drive emulation, that tells us some interesting things and provides WODE users with useful information if they intend to use the program. As mentioned by Wiisel, they would probably only want it for audio streaming games anyway (and it does work well for that, at least with the few games I've tried).

 

[Lumstar]

Yeah but it's off topic to talk about how the AP works.

 

[Maxternal]

Yeah but it's off topic to talk about how the AP works.

So this thread is for beating the dead horse, not dissecting the dead horse
(I wish there was some good middle ground for that, because the dissection is so much more interesting.)

 

[wiismodrome]

It is normal for thread topics to meander... and this thread has gone all over the place already. Besides, it is possible talk about how the program works in general without discussing the specifics of the code.

 

[Maxternal]

... without discussing the specifics of the code.

Especially since the code itself is closed sourced

 

[Rydian]

Well dolphin's got a debugger, but last I tried it was... crashy. Also unintuitive, but that can be worked around with googling.

Seeing as what's needed is removing functions and not re-writing, assembly modification should be good enough.

 

[Maxternal]

Well dolphin's got a debugger, but last I tried it was... crashy. Also unintuitive, but that can be worked around with googling.
Seeing as what's needed is removing functions and not re-writing, assembly modification should be good enough.

In either the announcement or the speculation thread, a conversation broke out between [member='tueidj'] and one of the Dolphin devs where [member='tueidj'] claimed he could really easily write an app that would make dolphin crash by using op codes that were too hard for it to support. Besides that, [member='tueidj'] mentioned in this thread that Riivolution could be cracked by simply putting it through Dolphin. His confidence in mentioning that along with the way he phrased it made me think that wouldn't work as easily with Devolution.

 

[wiismodrome]

Curiously, there's been no further mention about Devolution having already been cracked a while ago.... Still do not know if that is actually true (easy to make such claims without evidence), though I have little doubt that there are some serious hackers out there who could do it if they wanted to.

 

[smf]

Curiously, there's been no further mention about Devolution having already been cracked a while ago.... Still do not know if that is actually true (easy to make such claims without evidence), though I have little doubt that there are some serious hackers out there who could do it if they wanted to.

dios mios is better and open source, when devolution gets bluetooth controller support then we might see something

 

[SifJar]

Curiously, there's been no further mention about Devolution having already been cracked a while ago.... Still do not know if that is actually true (easy to make such claims without evidence), though I have little doubt that there are some serious hackers out there who could do it if they wanted to.

It has certainly been done. I can't possibly comment any further than that.

EDIT: For the record, it would appear opening Devolution in Dolphin causes an infinite loop:

8001c514  b ->0x8001C514

(for people not familiar with ASM, basically what this code means is "run the instruction as 0x8001C514"; you may notice that this is the instruction at 0x8001C514, in other words, this one instruction will run again and again, ad infinitum)

EDIT: Reworded for clarification.

 

[crono141]

Curiously, there's been no further mention about Devolution having already been cracked a while ago.... Still do not know if that is actually true (easy to make such claims without evidence), though I have little doubt that there are some serious hackers out there who could do it if they wanted to.

dios mios is better and open source, when devolution gets bluetooth controller support then we might see something

I agree, for the time being. Once DIOS MIOS gets audio streaming working, it will be the superior solution on the Wii. However, if WiiU is as easy to crack in Wii mode as some claim it to be, and once devolution gets wiimote control working instead of GC controller, it will become the superior solution.

Of course, for WiiU since there's so much more ram, the limits on DIOS MIOS may not be so strict.

 

[SifJar]

I agree, for the time being. Once DIOS MIOS gets audio streaming working, it will be the superior solution on the Wii. However, if WiiU is as easy to crack in Wii mode as some claim it to be, and once devolution gets wiimote control working instead of GC controller, it will become the superior solution.

Of course, for WiiU since there's so much more ram, the limits on DIOS MIOS may not be so strict.

Considering the WiiU does not have GC backwards compatibility, DM(L) will not function at all. Any talk of Devolution on the WiiU right now is pure, baseless speculation. Until it's actually released, we cannot possibly tell how easy or hard it will be to run Wii homebrew in the Wii mode on the WiiU (even if people have access to it right now, there is nothing to stop Nintendo changing things before the console's actual release. It would be rather foolish to assume that the software on test/preview units right now is not a very early build, that will be changed quite a lot before the console's release)

 

[Rydian]

Kinda' like how PSP firmware (jap-only) 1.0 didn't even check for signs before running software?

Then the US release was 1.50 retail, with the checks implemented.

 

[SifJar]

Kinda' like how PSP firmware (jap-only) 1.0 didn't even check for signs before running software?

Then the US release was 1.50 retail, with the checks implemented.

I don't think any company will be foolish enough to do such a thing again with a retail firmware, that mistake meant people were able to investigate the PSP firmware very early on from what I understand of the early PSP scene. That knowledge was undoubtedly extremely valuable for later hacks on the PSP.

If you mean that current builds of the WiiU system software probably don't have all the checks in place etc, but will by the time it goes on sale, then yeah that's what I was trying to say.

 

[retKHAAAN]

Curiously, there's been no further mention about Devolution having already been cracked a while ago.... Still do not know if that is actually true (easy to make such claims without evidence), though I have little doubt that there are some serious hackers out there who could do it if they wanted to.

Devolution being closed source =/= tueidj is the only person with the source

multiple people are aware of how the AP works. multiple people are fully capable of discovering how the AP works. 97% of people commenting in this thread fall into neither category.