Hacking Why add anti-piracy measures to Devolution ?

[SifJar]

We don't need to do HOW it works. Just an honest answer WHY from him, even if the same thing others have repeated over and over, some basic transparency would speak volumes about his character.

If you can't work out the reason for anti-piracy features yourself, you have bigger things to worry about than Devolution.

 

[wiismodrome]

Why? I don't try to contact the authors of Photoshop to know their motives before using the program. I don't contact the people being Chrome to ask their stories before using Chrome.

There is a significant difference. Photoshop and Chrome are commercial programs. Few would expect commercial software developers to share such information, as they are protecting their financial interests.

However, the Wii homebrew scene is not for profit, and many, if not most of the programs are open source. In short, there is a general attitude of openness, cooperation, and sharing of information so that people can build upon the work of others. So, when certain individuals in the homebrew scene are secretive, defensive, and unwilling to share information, it is not in-keeping with the spirit of the community. Thus, it is not surprising that some people find that attitude off-putting.

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[Rydian]

My question is why does it matter?

The only hopeful gain I can see is trying to convince the author to remove the AP, which is a pointless effort.

 

[wiismodrome]

My question is why does it matter?

The only hopeful gain I can see is trying to convince the author to remove the AP, which is a pointless effort.

Maybe there are some underlying principles here that some find worthwhile discussing, regardless of the dogmatic views of certain individuals? Imagine a world where discussion is quashed anytime an immovable obstacle is encountered. Such a world would quickly become stagnant.

 

[Rydian]

If that's really the case, then I see no reason to perpetually seek out the views of one specific individual.

If the purpose was discussion in general, this would be a general thread (not relating to a product) and people would be asking each other's views, and not constantly asking one person who has so far refused to take part in that conversation. It's almost rude.

 

[Lumstar]

Exactly. I vote he personally anwser the question, then we shut down this topic. It'll have achieved what its title specified we're after.

 

[DEFIANT]

f it nm

 

[Lumstar]

That isn't quite what I meant. It's a single honest question he could've answered right in the opening reply. Then the topic locked by mods afterward. No need for page after page of speculation, complaint, and attacks between people who don't even necessarily know the inside details.

 

[wiismodrome]

If that's really the case, then I see no reason to perpetually seek out the views of one specific individual.

If the purpose was discussion in general, this would be a general thread (not relating to a product) and people would be asking each other's views, and not constantly asking one person who has so far refused to take part in that conversation. It's almost rude.

Not sure who you are referring to. I do not recall "perpetually seeking out the views of one specific individual". I've brought up a number of issues. It is true that myself and others have asked for clarification on certain points that only the programmer could answer... but that is unavoidable if we are going to discuss a specific piece of software. Never mind the fact that the individual in question has been reticent with regard to providing any sort of helpful explanation (which goes against the spirit of the homebrew community as mentioned above).

 

[DEFIANT]

Maybe I'm old but I tired of the rants on both sides. Mods don't you think this has gone on long enough?

 

[Lumstar]

I have to agree. The present very existence of this topic is questionable. Gone on far too long without serving its stated goal.

 

[Rydian]

Not sure who you are referring to. I do not recall "perpetually seeking out the views of one specific individual".

Not just you, people like Lumstar right above you (and others through the thread) seem fixated on it.

I've brought up a number of issues. It is true that myself and others have asked for clarification on certain points that only the programmer could answer... but that is unavoidable if we are going to discuss a specific piece of software. Never mind the fact that the individual in question has been reticent with regard to providing any sort of helpful explanation (which goes against the spirit of the homebrew community as mentioned above).

Technical talk and explanations and curiousities are to be expected.

However asking the author for his motives is a different breed, and is not related to technical support. Knowing why the author added AP will not help you bypass it.

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[wiismodrome]

Knowing why the author added AP will not help you bypass it.

No help is needed....

 

[Rydian]

Your fixation on it suggests otherwise.

 

[Lumstar]

Not sure who you are referring to. I do not recall "perpetually seeking out the views of one specific individual".Not just you, people like Lumstar right above you (and others through the thread) seem fixated on it.

"fixated" in the sense it's a legitimate question which deserves an anwser from the one source who can clear it up for good.

I've brought up a number of issues. It is true that myself and others have asked for clarification on certain points that only the programmer could answer... but that is unavoidable if we are going to discuss a specific piece of software. Never mind the fact that the individual in question has been reticent with regard to providing any sort of helpful explanation (which goes against the spirit of the homebrew community as mentioned above). Technical talk and explanations and curiousities are to be expected.

However asking the author for his motives is a different breed, and is not related to technical support. Knowing why the author added AP will not help you bypass it.

That's right. Anwsering this question will in no way risk the integrity of his software.

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[wiismodrome]

Your fixation on it suggests otherwise.

Not what I meant....

Anyway, what I find interesting is that there is a group of people here who seem to enjoy belittling others for speculating about how the program works, yet contribute nothing useful to the thread. Perhaps good for a short sociology paper or something....

 

[Rydian]

Your fixation on it suggests otherwise.

Not what I meant....

Anyway, what I find interesting is that there is a group of people here who seem to enjoy belittling others for speculating about how the program works, yet contribute nothing useful to the thread. Perhaps good for a short sociology paper or something....

Need I post YET AGAIN that there have been multiple discussions and experiments in relation to finding out how the AP works? Some of which I have commented on or taken part in? It hasn't been that long since this thread started, you couldn't have forgotten already... the posts with the hex dumps, people swapping around files, the talk of which hashes may or may not be checked, and even the talk just a page ago about which drive emulation hardware could bypass the check?

Seriously dude, stay in the realm of reality.

"fixated" in the sense it's a legitimate question which deserves an anwser

The author owes you jack shit.

That's right. Anwsering this question will in no way risk the integrity of his software.

Oh, that's not my concern. If the AP was publicly broken I'd like to know how it was done, in fact. I don't even have a Wii, so whether the AP stays unbroken (publicly) or not doesn't concern me, I'm just interested in this info to try to learn some crap.

Up to the moderators to sort out a solution.

Given the fact that this thread has existed for 60 pages and multiple weeks...

 

[Lumstar]

Motive is the whole point.

Breaking AP will not explain why it was originally placed there, only render its continued existence moot.

 

[Maxternal]

Exactly. I vote he personally anwser the question, then we shut down this topic. It'll have achieved what its title specified we're after. If this topic is closed people will bitch in the main topic, which is not what's wanted.

Up to the moderators to sort out a solution.

I kinda think this thread WAS that solution.

The reason for the wording on the thread title is that THAT's the subject people insisted on discussing SOMEWHERE and that somewhere ended up being in the main thread which the author specifically said he didn't want there in the OP so this thread was created to make place for those inevitable comments, not so that [member='tueidj'] could pop in, answer the question posed in the title and then a mod could close the thread. (It would be rather funny if that had actually happened though. )

and as far as a "why" from the author :

WON'T: It's not going to be a warez loader. You will need to own (or at least possess) the games you wish to run.

As mentioned in previous posts, the purpose of anti-piracy is to prevent piracy by definition so that part's already kinda answered. If you're question is why he's against warez loaders or why he's against piracy, there are other people who have no financial interest in the topic that are also against them and I'd say you can probably assume that it's for a similar reason. It generally tends to be based on personal morals which this thread has shown very well that attempts to defend such are rather futile (especially on the Internet)

Future purpose of this thread
- Not discussion of the "anti-piracy" (leave the dead horse alone already)

The fact that he considers it a "dead horse" means he's personally probably not going to comment on it.

 

[DEFIANT]

It generally tends to be based on personal morals which this thread has shown very well that attempts to defend such are rather futile (especially on the Internet)

Which morals are you referring? The ones that support "piracy is wrong" uphold the law... blah blah blah? Or the the ones that do not recognize those laws and will not be subjugated by them, I am free... blah blah blah?