1. Draxzelex

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    What are you talking about? There are exclusive advantages to .NSP files that .XCI files don't have such as faster load times and smaller file sizes. The only benefit to .XCI files is that they don't need to be installed but honestly, most people are spending more time downloading than installing backups anyway.
     
  2. nWo

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    Well, for one, I like to play most on TV, so, just hook up my HDD, and start playing without installing, without using up space on SD card or be deleting / reinstalling things. It's very annoying. And, when a game is great and deserves to be on the console, I can install it without problems as a NSP would. But to just plug and play, that's the major turning point for me.
     
  3. mikefor20

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    NSP is inferior. It has 0 advantages. ZERO
    XCI is able to be installed just like NSP. Also XCI can be mounted on HDD or Flash drive or SD reader or SSD or ... you get the point I think. You can hot swap too btw. So easy a 8 yo and 10 yo have their own HDD. Saying NSP is better is retarded anti-SXOS BS. NSP is crippled. If you have SXOS then why not use the super useful exclusive feature you paid for? Don't be a jealous atmosphere troll. What advantage does nsp have? None.
     
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    I just use NSP instead as i am used to it
     
  5. mikefor20

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    I just don't understand how this argument keeps coming up.. NSP is slightly smaller I suppose. Not by much. After install NSP and XCI become the same thing. Same size. XCI actually was once considered harder for Nintendo to spot if you dump and use your own backups. IDK if that's still true.. But what advantage does NSP have?

    It makes SXOS users convert it to use it on USB? Just to screw SXOS users? Not to screw TX,... JUST THE SXOS USERS. Get over it.

    I don't think NSP should be around at all. XCI and NSZ only.

    NSP sucks.

    Crippled format just to hinder the USERS of some other OS. WTF?! Blame the sellers, the developers but not the user. Some people STILL have no choice and MUST use SXOS... LET THEM . Damn. What other possible reason do you care to have NSP files? NSZ is smaller and XCI is more useful... Sounds stupid to use NSP,,,,
     
  6. godreborn

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    I have everything sorted like this:

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    I have both versions (converted ones that I couldn't find), and compressed versions of 133 games (what I own). I know just enough about the switch to do that even though I'm not a part of the scene.
     
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    Proper OCD there mate.... I totally love this <3
     
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  8. godreborn

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    I love the switch, but it pisses me off that Nintendo doesn't give a shit about their legit users. it's always piracy. I mean sony can take care of both, so why can't Nintendo? are they really that incompetent or lazy?
     
  9. mikefor20

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    See, it should all be XCI. Maybe NSZ.. There is a smaller size advantage there. NSP though??! Garbage.
     
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    sir, this is a wendy's
     
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    Hello, So the.xci in cfw, can they be installed as.nsp?
     
  12. mikefor20

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    They can be installed. The end result is the same. They are both container files. Nsp is the format the E-Shop content is in. XCI is the cartridge format. Kinda Basically. That's why XCI is slightly bigger and may contain update partitions, DLC etc Etc. The game files itself are NCA and such. When you install them the end result is the same. So both NSP and XCI are capable of the same installation. However, only XCI can be played directly of the USB device. Plus Super XCI contain DLC and Updates as well. Making NSP garbage. When properly prepared (scrubbed) the size difference is negligible. Even when dealing with 3 TB worth. NSP is an inferior format that's only benefit is making it more difficult on SXOS USERS. Not Team Xcuter. The end user. And XCI sections are disappearing making it necessary to convert things lately.. Well fuck Why can't Atmo users just ditch NSP install XCI files and make everyone happy

    Because this is Wendy's and everyone is sharing a brain. And they hate the Whopper because it costs $30..YOU WILL ASSIMILATE!
     
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    Thanks for answering me mikefor20.

    So, it seems that it is best to have them in xci, it is a pity that there are fewer and fewer of them. Do you know where I could find the data to check its checksum for both xci and nsp?
    I would like to keep them intact.

    (Sorry my english. I use a translator)
     
  14. azoreseuropa

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    Nice files in order but Nintendo only have NSP (eShop) and XCI (Phyiscal card) along with update. No nsz files existed at Nintendo but nsz ? Aren't they just converted to nsz from developer team with some tools ?
     
  15. godreborn

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    yes, they're compressed files. you can compress them with nsc builder. there's also xcz which is basically the same thing just for xci files. they won't be smaller on the system, so their only purpose is when storing them on a pc or something.
     
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    Hello, And the compressed files of both xci and nsp, can they be used to install in cwf?
    If an xci or nsp file is compressed, can it be returned to its original state? Would it have the same value of sha1, md5, etc?
     
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    I've decompressed them before, and they weren't the exact same size, no. I don't know much about switch hacking, just enough to rename, check, compress, and convert files.
     
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    Thanks for answering me godreborn.
    a greeting
     
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    So you have the advantage of playing directly off a USB device with XCI files.- that's just another bit of kit to lug around along with your portable console ;)

    Your argument seems to based on it shits all over SXOS users; would it be wrong to suggest that since future sales/support for SXOS seems doomed that a file format that works best with it is kind of crazy ? What does XCI offer Atmosphere [ the software this likelyo still be here in the future ] users ? Genuine question ... how do Atmos users run games off an external drive ?

    I can see the small benefit in the bundling all the updates and DLC in a single file but all those files have still be downloaded at some point (either as a much large original file or as smaller individual ones). I don't see the time saving being that great.
     
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  20. mikefor20

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    XCZ files are 1 neglected to mention
    Another Atmosphere use who doesn't get it.. SXOS is not doomed to a file format. Only it's USB loader function. That's because it's mimicking an actual cartridge, NSP and NSZ function EXACTLY like they do on atmosphere. As far as USB loading goes it's not JUST HDD, it's ALL USB STORAGE DEVICES, SD readers, Pen drives, SSD and everything in between. It is also hot swap-able. I can change USB devices without a reset. Easy enough for a 6 year old. That is a KILLER feature. 5TB HDD at home and 1 TB SSD with an OTG cable for handheld mode. Also, I didn't say XCI benefit Atmo users,. I said NSP has 0 advantages for anyone. XCI can be installed to an Atmosphere system the same as an NSP. No advantage of NSP except to inconvenience SXOS users. XCI XCZ and NSZ all can be installed identically to NSP but have size/functionality advantages. NSP sucks. And for the record, Atmosphere users can use XCI off of a HDD too. All you gotta do is buy a license and install SXOS. ;)

    XCI has NO disadvantage for anyone. And has an advantage for SXOS users. There is no advantage to NSP, it's larger and or crippled compared to the other formats. People insist on NSP because old dogs and they know it's useful to SXOS users. And the Atmorons can't have that.
     
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