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injected11 said:...from rat-sized to gigantic. There would have been no reason to exclude the smaller dinosaurs. There would have been no reason to exclude the larger ones either since God surely would... (snip'd)
Advi said:i always laugh whenever i see people debating evidence when it comes to religion.
religion is based on faith, it does not require any actual evidence. its reasoning lies within intuition.
Yep. Recently I was reading the Bible to remember some points.injected11 said:Food spoils and goes to waste. Without preservatives or refrigeration (+ all the animals' body heat), it would spoil quite quickly.Necron N.N said:1)It may sound stupid, but it was made by God. Like I said, you had to think some things with faith basis. God instructed him to construt the Arc in a way it would sunk.
2)Again, part with point one. Noah lived like 500-600 years.
3)Somewhere in the thread I said it probably was the world at that time, maybe a continent. I cant say It was like that. I will expand this point below**.
4)People has survived thousand of years without a refrigerator. And the Ark was very very big, so it could have fitted a lot of food.
5)Point one again. God helped to keep the animals quiet (for the unnatural habitat), and they ate just vegetables at that time.
**Speaking with someone one day, I asked him about the point of the animals. There were probably some animals that died too in the flood. Many scientists put one argument to say that this didn't happened: Dinosaurs.
Probably these animals were left out of the arc because of their size. Also, in some parts of the Bible (psalms) there are some descriptions of collosal things, maybe referring to dinosaurs.
Doesn't make much of any sense to me. Any of it. Also why would God give Noah so much direct help when he apparently does nothing to help people or animals today?
Also, not all dinosaurs were huge. They varied from rat-sized to gigantic. There would have been no reason to exclude the smaller dinosaurs. There would have been no reason to exclude the larger ones either since God surely would have been able to come up with a way to fit them on a boat that he created.
And what about salt-water / fresh-water marine life? Wouldn't one type have been wiped out completely as well?
or allah, or vishnu, or xenu.Dangy said:Advi said:i always laugh whenever i see people debating evidence when it comes to religion.
religion is based on faith, it does not require any actual evidence. its reasoning lies within intuition.
I agree. Religion is man's approach to God, based on faith.
Advi said:or allah, or vishnu, or xenu.Dangy said:Advi said:i always laugh whenever i see people debating evidence when it comes to religion.
religion is based on faith, it does not require any actual evidence. its reasoning lies within intuition.
I agree. Religion is man's approach to God, based on faith.
junkerde said:POWER OF RELigION!Code:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBVrPG2qmnI
I know, right?Raiser said:I'm sorry, but that is just hilarious.pyrmon24 said:Noah is said to have lived over 600 years.
OK good. Just making sure...pyrmon24 said:I know, right?Raiser said:I'm sorry, but that is just hilarious.pyrmon24 said:Noah is said to have lived over 600 years.
The Bible cracks me up sometimes.
@ Uncle FEFL, yes it was a Bible debate, not a debate about the actual age of the Earth. That would be stupid.
Necron N.N said:Yep. Recently I was reading the Bible to remember some points.injected11 said:Food spoils and goes to waste. Without preservatives or refrigeration (+ all the animals' body heat), it would spoil quite quickly.Necron N.N said:1)It may sound stupid, but it was made by God. Like I said, you had to think some things with faith basis. God instructed him to construt the Arc in a way it would sunk.
2)Again, part with point one. Noah lived like 500-600 years.
3)Somewhere in the thread I said it probably was the world at that time, maybe a continent. I cant say It was like that. I will expand this point below**.
4)People has survived thousand of years without a refrigerator. And the Ark was very very big, so it could have fitted a lot of food.
5)Point one again. God helped to keep the animals quiet (for the unnatural habitat), and they ate just vegetables at that time.
**Speaking with someone one day, I asked him about the point of the animals. There were probably some animals that died too in the flood. Many scientists put one argument to say that this didn't happened: Dinosaurs.
Probably these animals were left out of the arc because of their size. Also, in some parts of the Bible (psalms) there are some descriptions of collosal things, maybe referring to dinosaurs.
Doesn't make much of any sense to me. Any of it. Also why would God give Noah so much direct help when he apparently does nothing to help people or animals today?
Also, not all dinosaurs were huge. They varied from rat-sized to gigantic. There would have been no reason to exclude the smaller dinosaurs. There would have been no reason to exclude the larger ones either since God surely would have been able to come up with a way to fit them on a boat that he created.
And what about salt-water / fresh-water marine life? Wouldn't one type have been wiped out completely as well?
At that time, humankind wasnt connected to God whatsoever. He intented to wipe it all, but saw Noah (Genesis 6, 5-8). If you read Apocalipsis, something like in this chapter is going to happen in the future.
About the animals, he says to Noah to take from the "clean" (cant remember how it is said in english, but you understand the point) seven couples and from the "not clean" animals, just take a couple. In this selection, these animal are the terrestrial animals. Here most of the big dinosaur could have been left out.
About the marine life, it is not named, so they werent inside the arc. Surely, some kind of fish died of not being in salty/fresh water.
:/ Translations differ from one language to another. In my bible it doesnt say "their various kinds", but it is implied. So now Im pointless about the dinosaurs (at least, the big ones) Gotta read some parts if I find something.KingdomBlade said:Necron N.N said:Yep. Recently I was reading the Bible to remember some points.injected11 said:Food spoils and goes to waste. Without preservatives or refrigeration (+ all the animals' body heat), it would spoil quite quickly.Necron N.N said:1)It may sound stupid, but it was made by God. Like I said, you had to think some things with faith basis. God instructed him to construt the Arc in a way it would sunk.
2)Again, part with point one. Noah lived like 500-600 years.
3)Somewhere in the thread I said it probably was the world at that time, maybe a continent. I cant say It was like that. I will expand this point below**.
4)People has survived thousand of years without a refrigerator. And the Ark was very very big, so it could have fitted a lot of food.
5)Point one again. God helped to keep the animals quiet (for the unnatural habitat), and they ate just vegetables at that time.
**Speaking with someone one day, I asked him about the point of the animals. There were probably some animals that died too in the flood. Many scientists put one argument to say that this didn't happened: Dinosaurs.
Probably these animals were left out of the arc because of their size. Also, in some parts of the Bible (psalms) there are some descriptions of collosal things, maybe referring to dinosaurs.
Doesn't make much of any sense to me. Any of it. Also why would God give Noah so much direct help when he apparently does nothing to help people or animals today?
Also, not all dinosaurs were huge. They varied from rat-sized to gigantic. There would have been no reason to exclude the smaller dinosaurs. There would have been no reason to exclude the larger ones either since God surely would have been able to come up with a way to fit them on a boat that he created.
And what about salt-water / fresh-water marine life? Wouldn't one type have been wiped out completely as well?
At that time, humankind wasnt connected to God whatsoever. He intented to wipe it all, but saw Noah (Genesis 6, 5-8). If you read Apocalipsis, something like in this chapter is going to happen in the future.
About the animals, he says to Noah to take from the "clean" (cant remember how it is said in english, but you understand the point) seven couples and from the "not clean" animals, just take a couple. In this selection, these animal are the terrestrial animals. Here most of the big dinosaur could have been left out.
About the marine life, it is not named, so they werent inside the arc. Surely, some kind of fish died of not being in salty/fresh water.
If we judge it from the text, no animal should have been left out. Look:
"Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth."
That means all kinds of animals should have been included, which, in logical terms, is quite impossible provided that a pair of each kind of dinosaur should have been there, even if they were, how you say, "unclean". Even if they were "unclean", all species of terrestrial animals should be there, and in that case, based on the measurements and the fact that he used wood only, the thing would break as soon as a dinosaur steps into there.
I am for that religionwhoomph said:My google/god assisted search for similar threads led me to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_religions#T
Tempism it is then.
Either way the Egyptians date back to 5500 BC, and still exist today along with their monuments and their society of worshipping gods and creating mummies existed until the Roman Empire took rule in 35 BC.ProtoKun7 said:I said closer to the beginning, not the beginning.pyrmon24 said:It's actually closer to 2300 BC. Hardly the beginning of human history.ProtoKun7 said:Where is it you heard that? Noah was around closer to the beginning of human history and before Jesus, rather than 600 years afterwards.DSGamer64 said:The story of Noah's Ark is from 600 AD from what I have read, so how is it that this flood which lasted from January of 600 AD until February of 601 AD, did not wipe out these civilizations along with the rest of the planet?
whoomph said:My google/god assisted search for similar threads led me to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_religions#T
Tempism it is then.