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Sorry Lacius, but you've got a couple of things wrong.
English ain't my main language, so i could i no way formulate the response as Ron himself could, so i've added a couple of links.
Ron Paul says government should have no place in marriage and that marriage is a religious union between a man in a woman. He consistently courts the religious right and doesn't even answer the question when asked if homosexuality is a sin. In fact, Ron Paul is one of the most evasive politicians I've ever seen, usually answering questions with "the government is too big" and changing topics. Ron Paul published newsletters in the 80s and 90s that were very racist, homophobic, etc. Although just allegations, an ex-staffer said that Ron Paul has issues with gay people. This isn't surprising considering some of the peoples' positions who finance and run his campaigns. Ron Paul was also against anti-sodomy laws being overturned.

Ron Paul is extremely pro-life and supports the idea of personhood. Ron Paul thinks the Civil Rights Act was a horrible mistake and that people should be able to refuse racial minorities service on the basis of skin color.

In summary, Ron Paul is probably the worst candidate when it comes to civil liberties. He would also slash the federal government into something powerless and unrecognizable.


Foxi4 none of the Republican plans tackle the deficit, Rick Sanctorum will cut corporations taxes to 0%, Mitt Romney plans on making the Bush tax cuts permanent. They just plan on cutting social programs, now that may not sound like a big deal, but it still does nothing.
Who says "tackle it"? The US is in no position to tacke its own debt, not in these unstable times. What they could attempt though is not making it any worse then it already is.

People say "It's all because of the left-overs Bush left behind him", and I call bullsh*t on that - Bush didn't invent American Interventionism, it's been a "tradition" in the States for years. Iraq and Afghanistan were not the first wars you fought in and you guys should know more then anyone that any administration leaves some debt behind it. Question is, how are You going to tackle it, and suprise suprise, Obama tackled it wrong.

The previous elections were a joke, from the outside they looked more like a cultural experiment then a political event - will the Americans choose a "Woman", a "Black Guy" or "McCain", are they going to say "No, we're not sexist!", "No, we're not racist!" or will they choose "The guy who's last name sounds like a brand of french fries" and I firmly believe that 80% of the voters had no clue what are the program either party represented.
Foxi4, the amount of debt incurred by Bush was almost unprecedented. One has to be a complete moron to both radically slash taxes and radically increase spending at the same time. To take $10.5 trillion (debt before Obama took office) and subtract it from $15.2 trillion (debt now) is not an accurate way to calculate Obama's contributions to the debt. $983 billion is Obama's contribution to the debt, and 81% of that was stimulus spending (which every reputable economist says should have been more). Obama has put together commissions to tackle the debt problem. Solutions have been proposed that are bipartisan. But the Republicans say it's either their way or no way. I'd say Obama has tackled things just right.
 
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Ron Paul has no chance.
Why of course. America has always had an allergy to anything that spells its possible salvation.

I'll be honest with you, I would rather vote on a candidate that I agree with who has zero chances to win then on a candidate that I disagree with just because I "disagree with him less" then with his main adversary.
 
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Wow I can't believe that barely anyone said Ron Paul 2012, here. Seems like everyone wants him on the internet. Oh and Obama is a horrible president, the economy is much worse with him now, unemployement has rose in the country and so did inflation, and most of his crap didn't even work. Just look at Obama Care what a failure, and extending unemployement, for people to get money. Also with his socialism ideals, why does a huge percentage of my money have to go to people on welfare. The other politicians are no better.
 
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Ron Paul has no chance.
Why of course. America has always had an allergy to anything that spells its possible salvation.
No, not our salvation, our destruction.
Let's assume that Obama does win, if 4 years from now the situation will worsen as I predict, will you then say "damn, I've been told this would happen" or will you blame some superficial reason like the first time around?
 
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Wow I can't believe that barely anyone said Ron Paul 2012, here. Seems like everyone wants him on the internet. Oh and Obama is a horrible president, the economy is much worse with him now, unemployement has rose in the country and so did inflation, and most of his crap didn't even work. Just look at Obama Care what a failure, and extending unemployement, for people to get money. Also with his socialism ideals, why does a huge percentage of my money have to go to people on welfare. The other politicians are no better.
Since Obama has taken office, the economy has gotten better and unemployment has gone down. Obama Care, although not fully activated yet, was a vast improvement on the system and is projected to save many lives. Extending unemployment killed two birds with one stone in that it both helped people who couldn't get work and injected stimulus money into the economy since those who collect on unemployment spend it rather quickly for food, bills, etc.
 
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Wow I can't believe that barely anyone said Ron Paul 2012, here. Seems like everyone wants him on the internet. Oh and Obama is a horrible president, the economy is much worse with him now, unemployement has rose in the country and so did inflation, and most of his crap didn't even work. Just look at Obama Care what a failure, and extending unemployement, for people to get money. Also with his socialism ideals, why does a huge percentage of my money have to go to people on welfare. The other politicians are no better.
I don't think you comprehend socialism.


 
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I really don't like Ron Paul's foreign policy. I think at this time it is most important to destroy Iran's nuclear facility, as they are a danger to the US, and Israel.
 
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You mean a lazy ass House of Representatives that is led by Republicans. And our economy is getting better, in 4 years it will still not be where it was pre Bush,that will take 12-16 years to get back to. And how do you know I'll still be on GBATemp in 4 years, I might have moved on or died.
*Rolls eyes* That was a hypothetical question, and "If there's a problem, there's an excuse". I don't know what's your measure of the state of the economy, but last time I checked your debt gets deeper, your national income isn't rising and the unemployment rates rise. If the economy's doing so much better then please answer, for whom?
 
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You mean a lazy ass House of Representatives that is led by Republicans. And our economy is getting better, in 4 years it will still not be where it was pre Bush,that will take 12-16 years to get back to. And how do you know I'll still be on GBATemp in 4 years, I might have moved on or died.
*Rolls eyes* That was a hypothetical question, and "If there's a problem, there's an excuse". I don't know what's your measure of the state of the economy, but last time I checked your debt gets deeper, your national income isn't rising and the unemployment rates rise. If the economy's doing so much better then please answer, for whom?
The unemployment rates are declining if they were rising we would still be in a recession.
 
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I really don't like Ron Paul's foreign policy. I think at this time it is most important to destroy Iran's nuclear facility, as they are a danger to the US, and Israel.
They're not even close enough to reach you with a nuclear strike. Also, have you not heard of Nuclear Deterrence?

People develop nukes not to use them but to defend themselves from others. It's a big warning sign saying "Do not attack us, we have Nukes and we will blow your balls off if you come anywhere near us", and you can't blame Iran for that seeing that the US likes to go on escapades in the Middle East unsupervised.

People are well-aware that "pressing the button" may aswell "end the world as we know it" - nobody's going to press it. It's a safety mechanism more then it is a weapon. By your logic, you should bomb yourselves, you're the biggest nuclear superpower in the world. You're going to say "But nobody knows what atrocities Iran might do if they have this kind of weaponry" to which I will respond "Who's to say which of you is crazier - Iran or the US? Facts are that you have nukes and they want to have nukes, the rest depends on the point of view".

You mean a lazy ass House of Representatives that is led by Republicans. And our economy is getting better, in 4 years it will still not be where it was pre Bush,that will take 12-16 years to get back to. And how do you know I'll still be on GBATemp in 4 years, I might have moved on or died.
*Rolls eyes* That was a hypothetical question, and "If there's a problem, there's an excuse". I don't know what's your measure of the state of the economy, but last time I checked your debt gets deeper, your national income isn't rising and the unemployment rates rise. If the economy's doing so much better then please answer, for whom?
The unemployment rates are declining if they were rising we would still be in a recession.
You're on the verge of the second dip, smile.
 
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I really don't like Ron Paul's foreign policy. I think at this time it is most important to destroy Iran's nuclear facility, as they are a danger to the US, and Israel.
They're not even close enough to reach you with a nuclear strike. Also, have you not heard of Nuclear Deterence?

People develop nukes not to use them but to defend themselves from others. It's a big warning sign saying "Do not attack us, we have Nukes and we will blow your balls off if you come anywhere near us", and you can't blame Iran for that seeing that the US likes to go on escapades in the Middle East unsupervised.

People are well-aware that "pressing the button" may aswell "end the world as we know it" - nobody's going to press it. It's a safety mechanism more then it is a weapon. By your logic, you should bomb yourselves, you're the biggest nuclear superpower in the world. You're going to say "But nobody knows what atrocities Iran might do if they have this kind of weaponry" to which I will respond "Who's to say which of you is crazier - Iran or the US? Facts are that you have nukes and they want to have nukes, the rest depends on the point of view".

You mean a lazy ass House of Representatives that is led by Republicans. And our economy is getting better, in 4 years it will still not be where it was pre Bush,that will take 12-16 years to get back to. And how do you know I'll still be on GBATemp in 4 years, I might have moved on or died.
*Rolls eyes* That was a hypothetical question, and "If there's a problem, there's an excuse". I don't know what's your measure of the state of the economy, but last time I checked your debt gets deeper, your national income isn't rising and the unemployment rates rise. If the economy's doing so much better then please answer, for whom?
The unemployment rates are declining if they were rising we would still be in a recession.
You're on the verge of the second dip, smile.
Yes, mainly due to the damn Eurozone crisis, believe it or not things are moving forward. More jobs are being created (note not government jobs).
 
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Iran is an irrational country, that shouldn't be allowed to have nukes. How many times have we seen Ahmadinejad say that Israel is a cancer that much be destroyed, or that the holocaust never happened, or that 911 was an inside job. The guy is nuts and we have already seen his dictatorship in Iran and what it led to his people, republic my ass the guy has been faking votes for himself and everyone knows that.
 
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Iran is an irrational country, that shouldn't be allowed to have nukes. How many times have we seen Ahmadinejad say that Israel is a cancer that much be destroyed, or that the holocaust never happened, or that 911 was an inside job. The guy is nuts and we have already seen his dictatorship in Iran and what it led to his people, republic my ass the guy has been faking votes for himself and everyone knows that.
Are you trying to turn the discussion toward Iran???
 
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Iran is an irrational country, that shouldn't be allowed to have nukes. How many times have we seen Ahmadinejad say that Israel is a cancer that much be destroyed, or that the holocaust never happened, or that 911 was an inside job. The guy is nuts and we have already seen his dictatorship in Iran and what it led to his people, republic my ass the guy has been faking votes for himself and everyone knows that.
Are you trying to turn the discussion toward Iran???
I'm trying to turn the discussion into Ron Paul's foreign policy.
 
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Iran is an irrational country, that shouldn't be allowed to have nukes. How many times have we seen Ahmadinejad say that Israel is a cancer that much be destroyed, or that the holocaust never happened, or that 911 was an inside job. The guy is nuts and we have already seen his dictatorship in Iran and what it led to his people, republic my ass the guy has been faking votes for himself and everyone knows that.
Are you trying to turn the discussion toward Iran???
I'm trying to turn the discussion into Ron Paul's foreign policy.
Okay, so you don't like his foreign policies. He'll never be the nominee so what's the point?
 
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Iran is an irrational country, that shouldn't be allowed to have nukes.
By your standards. By their standards, you guys are irrational for running around and attacking countries that are so far away from you that they barely have influence when it comes to your affairs, wearing banners of freedom and democracy while in fact you're just fighting for resources and influence.
How many times have we seen Ahmadinejad say that Israel is a cancer that much be destroyed, or that the holocaust never happened, or that 911 was an inside job.
And how on Earth would he destroy Israel with nuclear warheads without frying his own ass? As far as 9/11 is concerned, America sort of asked for it... and the holocaust? Well, he hates the Jews, what else could he possibly say?
The guy is nuts and we have already seen his dictatorship in Iran and what it led to his people, republic my ass the guy has been faking votes for himself and everyone knows that.
Agreed.
 
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I really don't like Ron Paul's foreign policy. I think at this time it is most important to destroy Iran's nuclear facility, as they are a danger to the US, and Israel.

That's a great idea Jakob, starting WW3 would be just glorious now rather then later. I haven't seen any proof of a nuclear facility in Iran yet but I know for a fact that the US and Israel have gigantic ones. Sounds to me like they are trying to pull the same crap that got us to invade Iraq and we are gonna fall for It again, shame on us.
 
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I really don't like Ron Paul's foreign policy. I think at this time it is most important to destroy Iran's nuclear facility, as they are a danger to the US, and Israel.

That's a great idea Jakob, starting WW3 would be just glorious now rather then later. I haven't seen any proof of a nuclear facility in Iran yet but I know for a fact that the US and Israel have gigantic ones. Sounds to me like they are trying to pull the same crap that got us to invade Iraq and we are gonna fall for It again, shame on us.
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I too disagree with any kind of special treatment for Israel - they should be subjected to the same kind of sanctions the surrounding countries are subjected to. That said, the US should stop being the world's Policeman and start worrying about its own affairs for once.
 
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Unemployment numbers (lower is better):

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Economy (higher is better, blue is Obama's effect on the economy):

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As for the potential double-dip in the economy, Foxi4, much of that has to do with Europe, the fact that the stimulus was a one-time thing that the Republican congress won't allow to be repeated, and the fact that we have come to realize that the economic crisis was worse than we thought it was and that the stimulus should have been a lot more.
 
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