TX and GBATemp

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  1. Draxzelex
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    While TX is constantly providing updates to the Switch hacking scene, the latest TX-related news usually incite numerous off-topic comments. What with every update being promoted to the front page to people having strong feelings about TX's behavior in the current scene, is there more harm or good being done? The following are a couple of concerns I have regarding the way GBATemp handles TX-related information.

    • Why does TX get a new thread every time there's an update? While keeping people up-to-date is important, other CFWs don't get new threads made every time there is a new feature/update. Also how many times do those features/updates of other CFWs make the front-page? Isn't GBATemp supposed to be unaffiliated with TX and all other hacking teams? Why play favoritism with SX OS updates only?
    • Why isn't there a main TX thread? All of the other free and open-source CFWs have one thread dedicated to them where all updates and downloads are provided. Why have multiple different threads containing discussions for each individual update? What if a user wanted to know what each update added?
    • While GBATemp does condone people providing opinions on TX and other CFW, such discussions usually derail the topic of most, if not all, threads detailing an update for SX OS. Why not make a thread for people to discuss their various opinions on SX OS as well as other CFW for the Switch? There is a thread for the GPL licenses that TX may have violated but that doesn't cover people's subjective opinions on the CFWs themselves. If there was a thread for people to discuss such issues, would it have an effect on the discussion that takes place in future SX OS threads?
    TX shows no signs of stopping provide support for their product which is not a bad thing necessarily, however if the days of the Gateway and the 3DS scene are anything to go by, we risk repeating history if nothing changes. I and hopefully everyone else wants to reduce the amount of bickering that occurs seemingly in every major TX thread so I hope we can work towards a solution that everybody can agree on.
     
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    The solution to stop bickering... is to stop bickering in the threads. It's not difficult.

    A couple of questions:
    How many commercial CFWs are there out there?
    Is there some commercial CFW that has updates that we haven't reported on?
    Who creates the "main threads" for the open source or free CFWs? The devs themselves? Someone in the team? Their friends?
    Do the free / open-source CFWs announce their updates?

    Anyway, there will be more reports of all kinds of hacking stuff in the future.
     
  3. migles

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    i am guessing you where not here during the 3ds scene? or even before thoose?
    this site had a new thread every half minute about gateway
    same answer as above, users (kiddos mostly) create a thread every half minute when something has happened, same thing as the 3ds gateway era, they just want to post the news and be relevant, we had times where 4 guys made a thread of the same exact news
     
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  4. ghjfdtg

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    TX is getting more attention than everything else. And it's always the same user doing the front page posts. As long as a user known to be in bed with various gray area teams and with his own shop can advertise here freely this site lost its credibility for me.
     
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  5. Chary

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    Because they pump out updates and press releases near constantly. Let's check ReiNX, shall we? Yeah, two updates. Both are incredibly relevant, but the latter has only issued a single update, and is working with less publicity than TX/SX. Atmosphere isn't even out, so you can't cover that and it's updates, either. Hekate would be the only other relevant thing to cover, which, maybe it should be.

    https://gbatemp.net/threads/team-xecuter-switch-sx.503865/page-66 there is, to an extent.

    Not really, no. People are going to soapbox this and that about TX at every turn.
     
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  6. Drakia

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    Actually, if you notice, the most vocal "off-topic" discussion about TX breaking licenses and stealing code tends to happen at the beginning of these new SXOS threads, then calms down. Of course, because there's a new thread for every release, it gets brought up again and again. If the SXOS "Update/Discussion" thread followed the same protocol as all other homebrew/cfw/packs in the Switch scene (One thread to rule them all), then it would probably die down after the initial debate as well.

    These SXOS posts aren't even to a TX "press release", they are linking to another forum (Which, ironically, keeps all SXOS updates in a single thread). In regards to the ReiNX release dates, a couple better examples for projects that release more often:
    https://github.com/tumGER/SDFilesSwitch/releases
    https://github.com/CTCaer/hekate/releases

    1) What does "commercial" have to do with it? CFW is CFW, one just sells other peoples code, that's not really a good reason to feature it predominantly
    2) No, there are no other "commercial" CFW (Other than a few users who have attempted to, again, steal open source code to sell it for a profit, and got shut down)
    3) This varies by the project, sometimes it's the dev, sometimes just a community member who is following the project.
    4) The common method of handling announcements of a new version is: Edit to the main OP to update the changelog/links, and reply to the thread to bump it and announce the new version.
     
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  7. Scarlet

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    For what it's worth, they are from TX press releases. Take a look at them yourself if you're curious lol. Garyopa posts them before the PR comes through, so his threads are the ones that make it to the front page. It's really as simple as that.
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  8. Cyan

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    sdfile is not a cfw, just a bundled of other user's existing work. I don't feel like it has a place on portal.

    I'm all for having portal news of other homebrew projects, and new hekate releases.
     
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  9. Drakia

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    Again though, why does that warrant a new thread, when every other project gets a single thread?
    I've even seen new version threads get merged into the main discussion thread for projects, but never for these SXOS posts.
     
  10. AveSatanas

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    Bundle of others work, you say? Reminds me of a particular commercial CFW that gets a lot of attention on the portal.
     
  11. Crusatyr

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    There were three versions of SX OS that were released this week. The versions were essentially "We added support for 6.0.", "Crap, we fixed support for 6.0" and "Crap, we fixed support for 6.0 for real this time." Why does each of those warrant a new post or update number instead of the standard 1.7, 1.7.1, 1.7.2 standard that they should have adhered by?
     
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  12. Draxzelex
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    There are currently 2 CFWs for the Switch, ReiNX and Atmosphere. Some may claim RajNX is a CFW however it is closer to a starter pack than the traditional CFWs. Reason I say this is because it is based on Atmosphere so whenever Atmosphere gets an update, usually RajNX would get one as well.
    There were some updates to the other CFW via SD files such as a new module known as creport which prevents error reports from being sent to Nintendo by sending them to the SD card as well as the blocking of eclct which is a telemetry module in the Switch's OS.
    There is an official ReiNX thread made and handled by Reisyukaku himself. There is also a pinned Tutorial thread covering its installation along with a starter pack. Atmosphere is not officially released yet but there is a thread to track its development on the GitHub page. When it is officially released, one of its creators will most likely post a new thread about it.
    Traditionally, the developers for ReiNX and Atmosphere post updates to their Twitter page where either someone makes a new thread about it or posts it in the thread where the other CFWs are maintained unlike SX OS. For example, ReiNX is going to be featuring a toolkit. Now while this is a teaser of said toolkit, hopefully when such a tool becomes public, it gets promoted to the front page.
    See above. While I would admit a teaser is not worth covering, I hope that an official release is.

    So why not post updates here and link the new thread containing updates to that thread? For example, if someone who was unaware of what SX OS had to offer, they only have the update threads on the front-page as reference. This thread, while contains some useful information, is now buried. Perhaps it would be worth updating this thread with information from all of the updates about SX OS and continually updating it moving forward? Or maybe someone should take it upon themselves to make a new thread detailing such information? I would do it myself but I prefer to have the staff's blessing before moving forward.

    So then shouldn't posts be removed about "soapboxing" be removed to discourage them from doing that? When people are trying to understand what each update offers or if it even works, it is often hard to find that information when most of the thread are people bickering. Understandably, these threads move rather quickly so it is hard not only for the staff but also users to report such posts. I was merely offering a suggestion to ensure people do it less often in these major update threads that get promoted to front-page.

    As noted above, one of the more popular SD files included some useful features that weren't detailed in other CFWs. While this is due to the features not being official from the CFW itself (they were a compilation straight out of Atmosphere's source code which is still not officially released), these features are especially useful for people trying to avoid getting banned which is a term synonymous with hacking.
     
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    So in order to get frontpaged....a hacker has to make a formal announcement of their updates instead of just passing mentions? And wouldn't constant updates degrade the notability of the updates themselves, potentially precluding the reason to post them in the first place? And if the problem with reporting on other CFW's is that no other reports exist......well, isn't that kinda the job of the press? To report on stuff and get information out there?

    Sorry, I'm just genuinely confused here.
     
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    No, no, the point I'm making here is that TX just barfs out updates that get covered. The other CFWs are quieter and more methodical with their releases, so of course it's going to be imbalanced, is what I meant. The announcement and release of ReiNX were covered as well, but things end there until the next update. Meanwhile TX has put out like 3 minor updates in two weeks.

    There's not much info to say for ReiNX or Atmo at the time. Supposedly the next update for the former is brewing, so that'll be covered for sure, but for the most part, the knowledge is already out there and content low to report on. Like I said before, though, I wouldn't mind covering significant Hekate updates from here on out.

    Honestly, I'm not down with how frequent the TX posts are, but it's just how they do things. I don't deal with those.
     
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    "I and hopefully everyone else wants to reduce the amount of bickering that occurs seemingly in every major TX thread so I hope we can work towards a solution that everybody can agree on."

    Adorable
     
  16. Crusatyr

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    I feel the same way too. Seeing the way GBAtemp front pages practically every version, it makes me feel like someone could make a CFW, then send out an email blast with every commit, and each of those would be worthy on a separate post and front paging? That's exactly what SX OS 1.8 and 1.9 are commits to 1.7.
     
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    Actually, they made 3 releases in 3 days.

    Also, ReiNX recently added 6.0.0 support, I guess if it's worthy of frontend 3x for SXOS, ReiNX deserves one too.
     
  18. FAST6191

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    Going by what was written above then they seem like fairly notable bugfixes for what is presently the preeminent method of modding stuff for one of the main focuses of the site.

    There are times when things will taper off and we start to have to consider the scope of changes, relative impact on the scene and whatnot before bundling things or saving them for a big update. This ain't quite that yet though. We are all quite keen not to turn into emucr.
     
  19. Crusatyr

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    This is where you and I are going to disagree. TX needs to work harder in between versions. The 6.0 was never tested properly, was found immediately to have bugs. The next day, and the next version supposedly fixed those bugs, but once again, it was found out that they didn't. So they release a third version a day later with the issues fixed and an update tool? I'll give you updating tool would warrant a version change but not the crap in the middle that still got a post when it ought to have been a hot fix of the previous version. It's lazy work on TX's part and they ought to have been criticized for it rather than rewarded with more exposure.
     
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    Middle part was fine, last sentence though would be where we really differ.
    While I could envision a boy who cried wolf type scenario here, and maybe a simple edit would have been acceptable, but it is not yet there. As far as rewarded with exposure then I will go with pssh.
     
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