To all savvy Wii hackers: Tell me your story :)

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  1. jampe
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    Newcomer jampe Newbie

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    I'm studying digital design, and my bachelor is just around the corner.
    My area is Wii hacking and the communities that revolve around it.

    I'd very much like to get a proper interview with one of you guys (perhaps on IRC) to get your thoughts on the subject.
    But if you don't feel like you're up for it, I've formulated a questionnaire below.
    Getting some answers from that would be very helpful too [​IMG]

    If you'd like to help me out, you can PM me your answers or just reply here.
    To those of you who do, thank you very much in advance.

     
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    Go here and start from the beginning.
    It's very easy reading, and they use some understandable, small projects along the way.

    And thanks for your answers, very helpful indeed [​IMG]
     
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    Why are you using this particular community?

    It's convenient

    How much are you using it (roughly)?

    As & when I need to

    What do you think of this tendency, hacking systems even though it’s discouraged by the producer?

    If I have a table with 3 legs, I make a 4th leg to get the best out of it.

    In which way does it appeal to you to be a part of the development of these hacks?

    The feeling you get when you "stick it to the man" is great [​IMG]

    The hacker ethic’s hands-on imperative says that everything should be hackable, and if the law prohibits it, the ends justify the means. What do you think?

    Then the law is an ass. Instead of going after small time hackers who repurpose their own bought equipment, try catching drug dealers, corrupt politicians & terrorists. Oh sorry is that too hard for them?

    What are your thoughts on hacker communities in general?

    If they can do something to improve my life then great.

    Which experience relevant to Wii hacking do you have?

    I'm an electronic engineer, I reverse engineered several DVD player ROMs to discover the multiregion hacks about 10 years ago...

    What kinds of Wii hacks do you enjoy the most?

    For me - the ability to load a game from either a backup disc or a hard drive is a big saver on my pocket - with a child in charge of loading his own games and a dog, scratched discs are never far away...

    The Wii is the most hacked gaming console yet. Why do you think that is?

    More Wiis sold - leads to a bigger attack surface, more people trying to attack it so more chance of inroads being detected.

    Do you have any supplementary thoughts on the subject of hacking?

    I've seen several innovations in the hacking community - friends have commented on the improved user experience using my Wii loading games from a HDD instead of hunting through a pile of discs... You know, Nintendo might learn something from what their customers are prepared to do to make it better... but then again probably not.
     
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    Why are you using this particular community?
    It is the best thing to come to the Wii.

    How much are you using it (roughly)?
    Occasionally.
    What do you think of this tendency, hacking systems even though it’s discouraged by the producer? It`s illegal to run 3rd party software on a system from a company. But what I do look at is the fact that many intelligent/under looked people can come out of the blue and end up being promising software/hardware pro`s for said system [​IMG]
    In which way does it appeal to you to be a part of the development of these hacks?
    Well I`ve personally never tried to do anything but I`ll like to one day for Wii. I am sure the feeling of getting meat ridden is fun.

    The hacker ethic’s hands-on imperative says that everything should be hackable, and if the law prohibits it, the ends justify the means. What do you think?
    Well I payed for the console, so am I not allowed to do anything to it?
    What are your thoughts on hacker communities in general?
    There are the ones that are really cool to the community then there are the ones that uses their power for manipulation. Well this sort of thing happens everywhere, not only in the hacking community.
    Which experience relevant to Wii hacking do you have?
    None, as of yet.
    What kinds of Wii hacks do you enjoy the most?
    File replacement in games, loading backups from a hard drive or DvD without the need of opening up the console.

    The Wii is the most hacked gaming console yet. Why do you think that is?
    Because the Wii was the easiest out of all the three current generation consoles and that Nintendo strives to over come this community. But most people always like challenges so the community always resume to reverse engineer what Big N has done.
    Do you have any supplementary thoughts on the subject of hacking?
    For the Wii not really. But the subject of Wii hacking has made a huge step such as emulating the NAND to make it virtually impossible to brick a Wii.
     
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    Strange...I'd thought more ppl would have filled in the questionnaire by now. But perhaps that has to do with the title. I must admit I don't fancy myself a "wii hacker". At best, I'd say I'm a script kiddy. But to be honest, I just go with "user" (I haven't coded or even compiled anything...I just go with what's available).

    It's well possible this makes the rest of the post null and void, but hey...I can just as well answer. [​IMG]


    Why are you using this particular community?

    Erm...I don't fancy the word "using" in this sentence. A community is made of people, so I prefer "visiting" instead of using (communities work best if you encourage everyone to do something).
    That aside: I come here mostly because a good deal of the people tend to know what they're talking about without getting overly technical.


    How much are you using it (roughly)?

    I come check it out about everyday. Mostly in the hope of getting to know some interesting stuff...but it's nice to read (and reply) as well. [​IMG]


    What do you think of this tendency, hacking systems even though it’s discouraged by the producer?

    In essence, it's simple: I bought the product, so it's mine. As such, I can do whatever the hell I want with it.
    Keep in mind that you have to separate "hacking" from "pirating" here. With pirating, you haven't bought the product, so that freedom to "do whatever the hell I want with it" doesn't apply there.
    However...I can't deny that hacking makes pirating easier (and may often be the whole reasoning behind the interest in hacking).

    As such, I can understand nintendo's position on "hacking". I like to think their main concern is pirating, but when I hear that people tend to send back the wii's they fried themselves, I can't but conclude that they don't like people messing with their product either.

    In which way does it appeal to you to be a part of the development of these hacks?

    As mentioned before, I'm not part of the development. At best, I point out to people how to use certain hacks other have made. [​IMG]


    The hacker ethic’s hands-on imperative says that everything should be hackable, and if the law prohibits it, the ends justify the means. What do you think?

    I believe in user's rights and responsibilities. If you buy a product (any product), it's yours to do with it what you please. Let's say you buy a bread. You usually get a sack to go with it. If the law then said that it was illegal to use that sack to pack anything other than the original bread in it...would you obey it? Of course not: you bought for the bread and the sack, so it's your right to use it how you want.
    Or take guns: they're legal in quite some countries, yet shooting other people or their properties isn't (which, incidentally, leaves them kinda useless).

    But to get back at hacking (of the wii): in this case, the law itself is there for a reason. It exists to give gaming companies the chance to actually make some money with the games they make.

    So here I am again with that difference between hacking and pirating: the hacking itself shouldn't be illegal (though it is just as valid as a reason to void your warranty as, say, give your wii a sponge bath). If every wii in existance got hacked (and not pirated), the sales of wii's and games would be exactly the same. Which would leave the law in itself useless. But like I said before: hacking and pirating are hard to distinguish, so hacking may always remain on the rather shady side of the law.

    What are your thoughts on hacker communities in general?

    I don't know much hacker communities. I'm not even sure if this is a hacker community to begin with (I think the majority of the visitors here just have enough basics to pirate successfully). But what I can see...
    To take it roughly: there are smart people (a select few that know just about everything), decent people (that may know a good deal about some areas, or a bit about everything) and everyone else (script kiddies, newbies or guys without any knowledge whatsoever). Now...with the complexity of the issue at hand, the "everyone else" group is most likely not going to code their own cIOS (that includes me [​IMG] ). They tend to be the most enthusiast about things, though. Which is kinda obvious: because we're not hindered by knowledge, we can safely ignore any kind of work, hardware restrictions, knowledge, inquiry, testing, whatever...a certain idea has.
    The people with more knowledge (of course) tend to ignore this, and work on their own projects. And because these projects tend to be long and hard work, teams may be formed, code may be exchanged and work may be continued by others when the first author quits.

    This usually tends to go well (eg. Dacotaco is doing a good job of maintaining priiloader...originally the work crediar's preloader). However...there have been some heated discussions about things like anti-piracy (riivolution) or source code (make your way through this thread and judge for yourself). These things happen as well. Hard to say to which degree these arguments are normal...but I doubt they're isolated ones.

    Which experience relevant to Wii hacking do you have?

    I hacked my own wii (softmod). That's it. Compared to some others, I may have fingled with a bit more homebrew than the 'average' user, but all in all, it's pretty much zero.

    What kinds of Wii hacks do you enjoy the most?

    I use wiiflow (an USB loader) the most. But considering that is 'just' a homebrew, I'd go with priiloader.
    (okay, and to those that really want to get technical: that probably isn't a hack either, so I have to go with bannerbomb)

    The Wii is the most hacked gaming console yet. Why do you think that is?

    It is? Wow...I read in a Dutch gaming magazine about the hacks of the Ds. It said that they (nintendo) weren't too concerned about the wii at that time, but that the sales of the Ds games was really swindling because of piracy. In addition, the one other guy I know isn't interested in hacking his wii, and the two others I know that thought about buying a wii weren't going to hack it to begin with.

    But anyway...if it is the most hacked one, I'd say it is because it's the most popular console. Which, in turn, may have something to do with the price of one being lower than either an xbox360 or PS3 (of which I hear they're harder to crack).
    All in all, a hacked wii gives you the potential of the most games for the least money.

    Do you have any supplementary thoughts on the subject of hacking?

    I'd like to point out that hacking gets depicted as something negative or shady. Without reason, if you ask me. Hacking tends to improve what is already there. The wii always had the potential of being a multimedia player, allow amateur programmers to write their own piece of software, or load games from USB rather than from DVD. Nintendo overlooked its potential...so why are we to blame to actually make use of it?
     
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    Wow. This suddenly caught on.

    I absolutely love that you took the time to be so specific, Wever, it's exactly that kind of well thought out response I was hoping for.
    All your responses are very helpful, though.
    Some of my presumptions were confirmed, and some new information came to the table, which is just perfect.

    Thanks a lot, you guys [​IMG]
     
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    Movin' to Wii Hacking. Should get more replies here.
     
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    Why are you using this particular community?

    Utilitarian reasons - it's here, it's large, and it's in English. It serves my needs.

    How much are you using it (roughly)?

    Not too often.

    What do you think of this tendency, hacking systems even though it’s discouraged by the producer?

    You're always going to get a biased answer on a board such as this. I think that it is indicative of the population at large - you will always get a number of people who want to modify their cars, a number of people who want to have fancy Christmas lights on the outside of their house, and you'll always have a number of people who are not happy with a console just doing what it does out of the box.

    The manufacturer will always discourage this, just as BMW tell you that aftermarket parts are not needed, are dangerous, and not good for your car.

    In which way does it appeal to you to be a part of the development of these hacks?

    I haven't been too involved in the Wii hacking scene, generally I tended to get out of the development scene around the Xbox (original) days. The main appeal was trying something new, the challenge of getting more out of a machine than it was originally designed for.

    The hacker ethic’s hands-on imperative says that everything should be hackable, and if the law prohibits it, the ends justify the means. What do you think?

    Generally speaking the law is not intended to get the true creators and users of homebrew, and even to an extent the home piracy scene. The issue is aimed at the large amount of money that can be made by exploiting the developments for commercial means - modchips, piracy, flashcards, jailbreaks, and the likes. There is money to be made selling these things to non-technical people, and there is also a lot of links between the (large scale/wholesale) sales and organised crime (like drugs, but with lesser risks).

    What are your thoughts on hacker communities in general?

    They're not what they used to be. Back in the old days people released things for the sake of release, now it seems that every release has a "Donate" button on it, which also has the potential legal ramifications (discussed in the previous question response). This has even led to some users/minor hackers (writing associated guides/Windows script based programs, relying on others work) trying to sell bonus features for "donations"!

    Don't get me wrong - hacker groups have always called for help with costs, but it was object based - i.e. we need to purchase this bit of hardware, please help with the costs, and the donations closed off once the required amount was reached. Now the "donations" are requested and accepted without aim or reason, which points to greed and commercialism - something that is against the (original) ethos of the communities.

    Which experience relevant to Wii hacking do you have?

    Electrical/Mechanical/Industrial engineering, with a strong electronics and IT background.

    What kinds of Wii hacks do you enjoy the most?

    To be honest, these days it's about what makes my life easier (with kids etc.). Projects such as WiiFlow are of a commercial grade of software, and make the Wii easier and more friendly to play.

    The Wii is the most hacked gaming console yet. Why do you think that is?

    I do not agree with that. I would say that the Xbox was the most hacked console - the reasons being mainly around the familiar structure, ease of programming, standardised hardware (easy to write for), and the power of the hardware (speedy processor, built in internal storage). The Wii is still playing catchup in this regard, in all areas.

    The Wii has been cracked wide open now, and because it's a console that is lacking in more modern security techniques it's been a lot easier to keep it hacked/cracked than say the Xbox 360 or the Playstation 3. Now that the Playstation 3 has been cracked, you're starting to see a large amount of releases (emulators and the likes) over there, and that will only continue.

    Do you have any supplementary thoughts on the subject of hacking?

    Hacking has always attracted a large number of supplementary people, the "power user" types who know how to apply the hacks back to front, and are good at troubleshooting/repairs. I've noticed a distinct change in the Wii scene, in that these supplementary people are the ones getting the masses of praise and love, generally for bringing together tools developed by others, or writing guides for these tools. I'm not sure if it is because of the comparatively lower age of the average Wii hacker, or if it is an indication of the times, but these people are getting treated like gods and experts.

    Don't get me wrong - I appreciate the contributions that these people make. I am particularly concerned about the "donations" that these people are requesting, being that the money is not being invested in hardware, or tools essential to the hacking process - it's almost like they're wanting to be paid for their time compiling information. To me, it's a new version of the "homebreware" type product - but rather than directly being paid for it, they're backdooring it by calling it a "donation".

    Hope this helps.
     
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    I turned in my assignment yesterday, so I shan't be needing more info.
    Thanks so much to all who replied, it proved vital to my research.
     
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    fun fact : there is nobody here that is a real hacker
     
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    The questionnaire wasn't meant for "real" hackers.
    Those guys, like fx. giantpune and dimok, I interviewed on IRC.

    So yeah, there are real hackers here.
    You're just not one of them [​IMG]
     
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