Thoughts on multiple genders

[Quantumcat]

I'm not saying a boy who chooses to be a girl is wrong, or vice versa, trans in my perception is fine as your still identifying as one of the binary genders.

What I'm saying is when you identify as no gender or a gender that isn't scientifically / traditionally recognised, that's when things get a little our of hand

What you identify as depends on your brain chemistry. Unless you have researched the science of it you have no right to tell someone what they are allowed to identify as. Maybe their brains were devoid of oestrogen AND testosterone so they don't identify as either?

It wasn't long ago that being gay was a criminal offence and blacks had to use different bathrooms. Don't be one of those people.

 

[Dionicio3]

Wow, not a Yil thread

 

[Meteor7]

I hate how people confuse "gender" with "how I feel about myself." Gender is a biological property of your body; a scientific classification. You can't "identify" as having two X chromosomes when you physically do not, so in that sense there are just two genders (barring any mutations). Just to be clear, I have nothing against people having fluid or uncommon sexualities at all. If someone wishes they were a different gender, then I'm sorry you feel out of place in your body, and if surgical/hormonal modification can make you feel happier, then I support fully, but I hate it when people misunderstand what "gender" means. It's not who you're attracted to, or how you feel about your body, it's a scientific and specific description of your chromosomal composition, and that's it. It's like if someone said "I identify as having a different genetic composition"; that's just not how that works.

Again, not pissed off at how people live their lives, just their misunderstanding of how this nomenclature actually works.

EDIT: Nevermind, I was the ignorant one. I was completely wrong in the sex/gender definitions; nearly everything here is incorrect. Let this stand as an example of how ready people can be to be so arrogantly wrong.

 

[Quantumcat]

Gender is a biological property of your body; a scientific classification.

Wrong. "Sex" is what you are biologically (your genitals), "gender" is what you feel you are (your brain).

http://au.reachout.com/sex-sexuality-and-gender-explained

 

[shadoom]

XX XY

 

[Lacius]

Biologically, there's only 2 genders

You mean "two sexes," not "two genders."

(3rd gender exists but is a mutation).

1. I think you mean "third sex."
2. The second sex is also a mutation, so that's a pretty arbitrary distinction.

So, biologically, you're either male or female.

I wonder what intersex people would say about that.

 

[DinohScene]

You mean "two sexes," not "two genders."

1. I think you mean "third sex."
2. The second sex is also a mutation, so that's a pretty arbitrary distinction.

I wonder what intersex people would say about that.

If I stepped on your toes with it, sorry lad but damn, you're nitpicking.

 

[Lacius]

If I stepped on your toes with it, sorry lad but damn, you're nitpicking.

The distinction between "gender" and "sex" is very important to the conversation. It's also important to acknowledge that calling anything other than the two conventional sexes "mutations" is hypocritical and arbitrary, considering that sex itself is a mutation. Finally, your last statement seems to ignore intersex people entirely; they prove there aren't just two sexes.

I don't think I'm being nitpicky.

 

[DinohScene]

The distinction between "gender" and "sex" is very important to the conversation. It's also important to acknowledge that calling anything other than the two conventional sexes "mutations" is hypocritical and arbitrary, considering that sex itself is a mutation. Finally, your last statement seems to ignore intersex people entirely; there aren't just two sexes.

I don't think I'm being nitpicky.

Klinefelter syndrome is one of the most common chromosomal disorders, occurring in 1:500 to 1:1,000 live male births.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXYY_syndrome

It's not normal.

You either got XX or XY chromosomes and any more is an anomaly.
Meaning it's not meant to happen at birth.

 

[Quantumcat]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXYY_syndrome

It's not normal.

You either got XX or XY chromosomes and any more is an anomaly.
Meaning it's not meant to happen at birth.

What is normal, and what isn't? As soon as it happens to enough people it starts being normal. You could argue that as soon as something happens to a second person it becomes normal - it's something that you know the cause and symptoms of, and there is a population of people just like you.

 

[DinohScene]

What is normal, and what isn't? Ad soon as it happens to enough people out starts being normal. You could argue that add soon as something happens to a second person it becomes normal - it's something that you know the cause and symptoms of, and there is a population of people just like you.

Biologically normal, survival of the species.
No ties to emotions and other things made up by humans.

Just plain simple biology.

 

[Quantumcat]

Biologically normal, survival of the species.
No ties to emotions and other things made up by humans.

Just plain simple biology.

Brain chemistry is biology. Chromosomes are biology. None of that is made up. I can't see what it is you're trying to argue. Are you saying people with Klinefelter syndrome should just take a spoonful of cement and harden up princess? If they try hard enough they can change their chromosomes? That's a little ridiculous.

 

[Meteor7]

Wrong. "Sex" is what you are biologically (your genitals), "gender" is what you feel you are (your brain).

http://au.reachout.com/sex-sexuality-and-gender-explained

Are you kidding me? Did I screw up that badly?

...Yes I did, and all it took was a 2 second google search. Go to school, kids, don't make yourself look like an asshole on the internet.

 

[The Catboy]

Biologically normal, survival of the species.
No ties to emotions and other things made up by humans.

Just plain simple biology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXYY_syndrome

It's not normal.

You either got XX or XY chromosomes and any more is an anomaly.
Meaning it's not meant to happen at birth.

You realize you are saying this as a gay male, right? You of all people should realize that at one point people were arguing the same thing against you.

 

[DinohScene]

Brain chemistry is biology. Chromosomes are biology. None of that is made up. I can't see what it is you're trying to argue. Are you saying people with Klinefelter syndrome should just take a spoonful of cement and harden up princess? If they try hard enough they can change their chromosomes? That's a little ridiculous.

Never said you should purge those who have it.
I'm merely saying that biologically, you got male and female.
Anything else is an anomaly and shouldn't happen under normal circumstances.

Anything else (intersex, FtM, MtF and whatever) is what you personally identify as.

 

[datahoarder]

 

[DinohScene]

You realize you are saying this as a gay male, right? You of all people should realize that at one point people were arguing the same thing against you.

Couple decades before that, it was the whites against the blacks and centuries before that, the romans against the saxons n what not.

It's a never ending circle but I'm merely saying it from a scientific/biological point of view, without human emotion.

 

[osm70]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXYY_syndrome

It's not normal.

You either got XX or XY chromosomes and any more is an anomaly.
Meaning it's not meant to happen at birth.

OK, mind explaining what IS meant to happen?

 

[DinohScene]

OK, mind explaining what IS meant to happen?

What should happen is that you get born with either XX or XY chromosomes, defying what you are.
Couple of years after birth, you'll reproduce so that the population of the human species can survive.

Anything beyond that is tightly knit inside human emotion and what not.
Science is just extremely cold for that matter.

 

[Lacius]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XXYY_syndrome

It's not normal.

You either got XX or XY chromosomes and any more is an anomaly.
Meaning it's not meant to happen at birth.

You seem to be missing my point that your definition for what's a mutation or an anomaly is arbitrary. In other words, to say something is a mutation or anomaly, I must be contrasting it with something else. What I contrast it with is completely arbitrary. I could easily contrast sex chromosomes with our ancestors who had no sex chromosomes. Do you understand?

Also, this talk about whether or not something is a mutation, an anomaly, etc. is pretty irrelevant, isn't it? Some tigers are white. That fact that it's an anomaly/mutation doesn't change the fact that there's another color.