Thoughts on multiple genders

[DinohScene]

You've already gotten evidence posted against your arguments. Anything I add would only be repeats of what has already been posted. Thus I am more here to point out your contradictions by reminding you that you were once in our place.

Frankly, I'm not moved by it.

 

[Lacius]

I've made me point with "biologically there's just XX and XY, male and female"

You're objectively wrong. We have numerous examples of people who are not biologically XY nor XX. Whether or not they're mutations is irrelevant to this fact when the distinction between X and Y itself is a mutation. Even if X and Y chromosomes were ordained by God and were not the result of mutation long ago, people who are not biologically XX nor XY still exist.

in 100000 years, maybe humans can reproduce asexually, who fucking knows?

100,000 years is practically nothing on the evolutionary calendar. Humans have been around in roughly this form for twice that long. There are also a lot of benefits to reproducing sexually and a lot of problems that come with asexual reproduction that make it unlikely for that selective pressure to exist. Finally, because of our modern world, human evolution has slowed considerably.

They're just born with a different set of chromosomes.
It happens.

I agree. Whether or not their chromosomes are different from yours (comparing and contrasting two organisms' chromosomes is arbitrary, by the way) is irrelevant to whether or not something biologically exists apart from traditional female or male.

That's also what I meant with me first post.
Biologically, you got XX and XY.

You can't ignore intersex people.

Anything else is biologically not supposed to happen.

That statement is nonsensical. Biology doesn't have agency. Nothing is "supposed to happen" so far as biology is concerned. Plenty is supposed to happen in biology so far as humans are concerned. You're confusing the two.

I have never condemned anyone with XXY or XXYY chromosomes, no idea where people got that from...

You're saying their genetics aren't as legitimate as yours because of your arbitrary human say-so. Biology thinks y'all are the same.

 

[Kioku]

Well you can't blame me. I don't really understand this whole thing.

You're not wrong, though. It started out with 2 genders. What modern science is 'proving' today would have been considered a disorder or mutation 50 years ago. I'm not saying it's horrid. On the contrary. Science is leading us to some pretty fascinating discoveries. I'm personally not a fan of the "identifying" shtick.. I let biology do the talking.

 

[Lacius]

Neither is medical science.
Neither is the knowledge of the human anatomy.
Nothing in this world is as clean cut as people would like it to be.

So, biologically, you're either male or female.

There need to be more than two sexes, because "oh boy" and other gendered exclamations aren't enough to describe my feelings about this contradiction.

 

[Chary]

From what I understood:

Biologically, there are 2 sexes, male and female
Based on that, it's safe to assume there are only 2 genders

I assume that identification is another level, and that's where genders appeared. Or I at least think that would make sense explained that way. I don't know.

That's an extreme logical fallacy and hardcore assumption you have going on over there.

Besides the very rare people who are hermaphrodites, I don't understand how that there's more...genders than sexes? You can identify between the two, sure. I have a lot more guyish traits than feminine ones, in my personality, but at the end of the day, I'm still a chick, I'm not some "no concept of gender, which can change at whatever flow Tumblr moves at" kinda nonsense. I can't possibly fathom how more than two exist...? You state its a logical fallacy without saying how it is such.

 

[Quantumcat]

Besides the very rare people who are hermaphrodites, I don't understand how that there's more...genders than sexes? You can identify between the two, sure. I have a lot more guyish traits than feminine ones, in my personality, but at the end of the day, I'm still a chick, I'm not some "no concept of gender, which can change at whatever flow Tumblr moves at" kinda nonsense. I can't possibly fathom how more than two exist...? You state its a logical fallacy without saying how it is such.

There's lots of sex hormones and the amount of each one influences your developing brain. It's not as though there are two set combinations and only one of those can occur. It's like saying there are only two colours - #12F106 and #FF0012. Once you understand where colours come from you can see that there is an entire spectrum, made from having varying amounts of the primary colours. I don't know the biological and chemical details but I know enough to know there's a sphere of knowledge out there that I don't know about. Saying there are exactly two genders and everybody on earth fits into one of them, while having no knowledge at all, is a bit ignorant.

 

[datahoarder]

Besides the very rare people who are hermaphrodites, I don't understand how that there's more...genders than sexes? You can identify between the two, sure. I have a lot more guyish traits than feminine ones, in my personality, but at the end of the day, I'm still a chick, I'm not some "no concept of gender, which can change at whatever flow Tumblr moves at" kinda nonsense. I can't possibly fathom how more than two exist...? You state its a logical fallacy without saying how it is such.

Gender does not have to be defined between physical anatomy. and why do people keep mentioning Tumblr?
I don't use Tumblr and just because someone does use it doesn't negate or invalidate any form of what they're saying just "because Tumblr and I disagree."

Transgender – a person whose gender identity does not match their biological sex assigned at birth. For example, if someone who sexually assigned as male at birth, but who now identifies as a woman.

Cisgender – when your gender identity matches your biological sex assigned to you at birth. I.e. the opposite of trans.

Genderqueer – a combination of genders. The person identifies with neither gender identities usually subscribed to men or women.

Queer – a term used to describe people who don’t identify as cisgender or hetero.

Non-binary – “A spectrum of gender identities and expressions, often based on the rejection of gender binary’s assumption that gender is strictly an either-or option of male/man/masculine or female/woman/feminine based on sex assigned at birth,”

- National Geographic 2017

 

[osm70]

Besides the very rare people who are hermaphrodites, I don't understand how that there's more...genders than sexes? You can identify between the two, sure. I have a lot more guyish traits than feminine ones, in my personality, but at the end of the day, I'm still a chick, I'm not some "no concept of gender, which can change at whatever flow Tumblr moves at" kinda nonsense. I can't possibly fathom how more than two exist...? You state its a logical fallacy without saying how it is such.

I said something about that a few posts ago. Trans people exists. I assume you agree. Well, some people wouldn't be happy even after a sex change, because their mind doesn't like either binary option. Non-binary genders are a real thing.

That being said however, some genders were created on Tumblr and are BS. Also, people who identify as non-binary, because they are are alright. People who identify as non-binary made up gender because they want to be different might (or might not, who am I to judge?) be kinda dumb.

 

[The Catboy]

Gender does not have to be defined between physical anatomy. and why do people keep mentioning Tumblr?
I don't use Tumblr and just because someone does use it doesn't negate or invalidate any form of what they're saying just "because Tumblr and I disagree."

People keep mentioning Tumblr because Tumblr has an is an extremely loud minority that has made a mockery of the trans community. Regardless if what they say, it's just become a loud group of people who instead of helping progress society, they try to force acceptance through extreme censorship.

 

[datahoarder]

People keep mentioning Tumblr because Tumblr is an extremely loud minority that has made a mockery of the trans community. Regardless if what they say, it's just become a loud group of people who instead of helping progress society, they try to force acceptance through extreme censorship.

Yes, because everyone on Tumblr is a single collective voice and so we should deal in absolutes and make blanket generalizations.

 

[JFlare]

Boys...girls...trans...If you are anything else, then you are weird :v

 

[The Catboy]

Yes, because everyone on Tumblr is a single collective voice and so we should deal in absolutes and make blanket generalizations.

I should rephrase that, it's a loud minority within a community that often gets the rest of the community blamed for their actions.

 

[JFlare]

Bruh tumbler is trash

 

[RustInPeace]

Bruh tumbler is trash

I thought Tumblr was dead, I was using it a lot in 2013-2014 when it was for me the premiere content sharing community for special interests. In graphic detail, I mean porn, pictures, like what subreddits and sections in anon-ib and 4chan are. Between this and reading some people mentioning tumblr elsewhere, I was surprised that's still a widely used site.

 

[osm70]

Boys...girls...trans...If you are anything else, then you are weird :v

I am proud to be weird for many reasons.

 

[JFlare]

the premiere content sharing community for special interests. In graphic detail, I mean porn, pictures, like what subreddits and sections in anon-ib and 4chan are

hmmm give me an example

 

[HamBone41801]

I thought Tumblr was dead, I was using it a lot in 2013-2014 when it was for me the premiere content sharing community for special interests. In graphic detail, I mean porn, pictures, like what subreddits and sections in anon-ib and 4chan are. Between this and reading some people mentioning tumblr elsewhere, I was surprised that's still a widely used site.

its where instagram gets its memes.

 

[Seliph]

In my opinion there are only two genders and as long as you don't be annoying about it you can be whatever fake gender you want to be.

 

[JFlare]

In my opinion there are only two genders and as long as you don't be annoying about it you can be whatever fake gender you want to be.

Well there is Trans, and if you don't like them, then you are just a idiot who stereotypes people for fun.

 

[RustInPeace]

hmmm give me an example

You want me to hook you up with porn? Well I remember one that posted fitness models and female bodybuilders, I did come across many transsexual tumblrs, on the porn side. SFW-wise, someone had a Pokemon tumblr, giveaways of codes during the ORAS era, blogs, journals, and I did notice some of that still going on, but barely updated, if at all, thus me thinking it was dead. People gave up tumblr, embraced Instagram and such.