Lol shut up you cunt
I never supported City.... i bet you do, they are coming 1st right?
I never supported City.... i bet you do, they are coming 1st right?
Man U got to where they are now by outspending everyone else in the league about 10-fold during the 90s and using their financial clout to also hold on to promising young players while they bought everyone else's. They are currently maintaining that position through a combination of selling Man U branded tat to the global bandwagon jumpers their success over the last 20 years has brought and about £300m worth of debt.
I wouldn't consider the Man U model any more noble than City or Chelsea's, all three are clubs who have contributed to ruining football in England.
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All a ya haters spout the same BS, don't ya?
"Out-spending everyone else by about 10-fold?" Doubt it. Exaggerated BS. Sure, prob outspent them, but by that much? Save it for someone more gullible.
"used the money to hold on to the young players?" LOL, as opposed to what? Selling them? I think I mentioned the club does develop the young players. Also, money isn't the only factor that determines whether a player stays or goes [admittedly, some of them left coz they had a spat with Fergie, LOL].. A lot of the players who got transferred actually have fond memories of the club. You don't get that from just money.
"bought everyone else's?" LOL. Another exaggeration? Really? You'd think the Arsenals, Liverpools etc wouldn't have any players if that was the case. I don't know what era you're in, but the club manager from the 90s til now isn't exactly an advocate of overspending. Obviously you have some bias, and focus only on the big time transfers. Tell me, has the bench ever been worth like in excess of 70m [well, Berbatov is usually there nowadays, though LOL] without playing/starting any matches? [not counting the starting XI, because everyone spends on that, money or no money]
"selling the Man U branded tat to bandwagons?" Well, can't deny the fact that there are some bandwagons.What successful club doesn't? [*cough* Barcelona *cough*]
"over 300m debt?" Eh.. bad ownership [Americans... really? urgh]. In fact, the owners seem to be trying to leech money outta the club, as opposed to other financial powers who spend millions on them. Sad, really.
Actually, no, I'm not saying we're saints. LOL I'm not delusional, however people might perceive our other fans to be. Like I said before, the issue isn't the money [heck, Barcelona got millions when they removed UNICEF from their kit, but no one goes on and on about that] but how it's being used. What with the fair play rules and players lining six-deep to join some money-strapped club and languish on the bench [or worse, get disgruntled/disillusioned and then make a ruckus and leave]. And then there's the panic-buying [admittedly, we might require some panic buying too, if the squad doesn't heal up fast enough LOL].
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I was too lazy to actually quote BlueStar and then dissect it. LOL
"Out-spending everyone else by about 10-fold?" Doubt it. Exaggerated BS. Sure, prob outspent them, but by that much? Save it for someone more gullible.
"used the money to hold on to the young players?" LOL, as opposed to what? Selling them? I think I mentioned the club does develop the young players. Also, money isn't the only factor that determines whether a player stays or goes [admittedly, some of them left coz they had a spat with Fergie, LOL].. A lot of the players who got transferred actually have fond memories of the club. You don't get that from just money.
"bought everyone else's?" LOL. Another exaggeration? Really? You'd think the Arsenals, Liverpools etc wouldn't have any players if that was the case. I don't know what era you're in, but the club manager from the 90s til now isn't exactly an advocate of overspending. Obviously you have some bias, and focus only on the big time transfers. Tell me, has the bench ever been worth like in excess of 70m [well, Berbatov is usually there nowadays, though LOL] without playing/starting any matches? [not counting the starting XI, because everyone spends on that, money or no money]
"selling the Man U branded tat to bandwagons?" Well, can't deny the fact that there are some bandwagons.What successful club doesn't? [*cough* Barcelona *cough*]
"over 300m debt?" Eh.. bad ownership [Americans... really? urgh]. In fact, the owners seem to be trying to leech money outta the club, as opposed to other financial powers who spend millions on them. Sad, really.
Actually, no, I'm not saying we're saints. LOL I'm not delusional, however people might perceive our other fans to be. Like I said before, the issue isn't the money [heck, Barcelona got millions when they removed UNICEF from their kit, but no one goes on and on about that] but how it's being used. What with the fair play rules and players lining six-deep to join some money-strapped club and languish on the bench [or worse, get disgruntled/disillusioned and then make a ruckus and leave]. And then there's the panic-buying [admittedly, we might require some panic buying too, if the squad doesn't heal up fast enough LOL].
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I was too lazy to actually quote BlueStar and then dissect it. LOL
didnt Newcastle buy alan shearer as the world record during the 90s? 300m debt is thanks to the glazers, before they came around man utd was debt free.
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Rockstar supports Chelsea, has done that for a few months now, next to Barcelona of course.
He's just very anti United, so that's why he may have cheered sometimes if City won. Didn't really support them, just had fun laughing at United's misery.
Ferguson broke the transfer record three times before he won the league, he had nine million pound players in 1993 and he didn't have to sell anybody - nobody else had more than 5. As for talking about only looking at the big headline grabbing fees, their average spend per player was higher than 3rd placed Norwich's record signing. The gap in resources was about as big as between us lot and Man City now. Then they went and broke the record again by signing Keane for £3.75m.
In the last 30 years the only league winners who could probably argue they didn't have a huge money advantage over nearly everyone else are Leeds and Villa, no surprise they both fell apart soon after. So if Man City win the title and people are moaning they 'bought it', the argument doesn't really hold up.
In the last 30 years the only league winners who could probably argue they didn't have a huge money advantage over nearly everyone else are Leeds and Villa, no surprise they both fell apart soon after. So if Man City win the title and people are moaning they 'bought it', the argument doesn't really hold up.
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Said Good team not Big.
Also Rockstar...
QUOTE(BlueStar @ Sep 8 2011, 03:46 AM)
QUOTE(Rockstar @ Sep 8 2011, 11:23 AM)
I only support Barcelona.
And Man U and Chelsea
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I support ManU and Chelsea lol weird i know XD
And Man City
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Great half.Glad we scored 2, Barry goal was insane
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We just need Dzeko up front and Aguero behind.
I dont know why I said "we" and at the time of manu and chelsea.. I swear it was my first season of EPL... I find it boring compared to la Liga and dont support any team there.Just Barcelona.And just a question, lets say I support 3 teams? You guys should not care even then because I can do whatever I want.
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LOL. United didn't exactly have the best squad when Fergie came in. You don't expect a new manager to just sit on his ass and do nothing, do you?
Also, as you say, nearly everyone who's won the league for the last 30 years has had money. So then, how come United is "ruining football", if they've only been keeping up with the trend in the first place?
Like I said, the reason people are jeering at City and Chelsea isn't the fact that they have money - every "big" club does. It's them waving their money around - is that so hard to understand?
And Man City didn't have a great squad when they were taken over, either. Man U don't need to throw money around as much now because they did it in the 90s and they're building on that. City and Chelsea spent most of their money at the start of their push because they were totally rebuilding their squad. Once they were established as title contenders, it's easier to get players to want to come to you, and you don't need to buy as many. Man U started the "global brand' method of running a football club which is what led to rich Russians and Arabs wanting to buy clubs as playthings of the rich. Part of that was also making it a plc, floating it on the stock market etc. That brought even more success, but also meant some rich yanks could come and buy it at any time. (United Not For Sale being a particularly stupid chant - companies floated on the stock market are always for sale) It's a monster of their own creation that's biting them on the ass now. Ferguson was perfectly happy when the football free market meant he could swan around and grab players like Ferdinand for 30 million when no other club had a hope of out bidding him, he can't call foul now that other clubs have worked out how to exploit this new age of football as well.
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Psh... We'll never hear the end of this, now... Because buying players makes us evil and it's just the money and not the United system that made the club winners... Sure, blame it all on us, chief... We've heard the same shit before... I suppose next time you'll say Barca and Inter won their trebles fair and square while we bought ours?
All I'm saying is that it's rich Man U moaning about teams taking advantage of English football's modern money and fame when they were perfectly happy to exploit it for their own ends. Of course if it wasn't them, it would probably be someone else. Man united were lucky in the sense that they had a good team and a good manager just at the time when football was having its renaissance. After decades of shit stadiums, shit football, violence and an atmosphere that was not welcoming for anyone but young local men, suddenly there was Satellite TV money, foreign fans, big shirt and hoardings deals, family areas and corporate hospitality, all of which was directed upwards to the biggest names in the game. The team at at the top of the pile at that point when the music stopped had a chance to basically pull the ladder up. It happened to be Man U. If all this had happened when Forest or Leeds had been the big lads, they'd probably still be the ones playing in the champions league every season and they'd probably be who you supported.
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You all know what? I'm sick and tired of all this BS. Everywhere on the internet, all I get for being a United supporter is grief from people. Brits especially, and don't even deny it. Every British football fan who isn't a United supporter hates us. Heck, the club's biggest fanbase is in Asia [no wonder the next planned IPO is in Singapore].
Let me tell you something else.
First things first. This fucking quote. I'll be clear: all I was doing was joshing the Chelsea - City match and laughing at a clever hashtag on Twitter. Of course someone jumps me [and every other United supporter there is]. Apparently, everyone on Twitter is a United fan. To set the record straight: someone coined it, not me. I'm not sure who, or which club he supported, but attacking a particular group of people for something that a lot more are doing is wrong.
Maybe I should have passed it on to a non-United fan so he can post it. FFS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_United_F.C._Reserves_and_Academy#The_Academy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fergie%27s_Fledglings
Assuming you count the earlier ones, coz most of them have either retired or been sold. Pretty sure we have Cleverley and Welbeck, and apparently Pogba and Morrison might break through soon.
And yes, before you cry foul and condemn me... Yeah, I wiki'd it. I don't have a fucking list. Your move, Barcelona "supporter".
Firs things first. You're prob right. I could have supported another team. But I didn't. The reason I support them isn't the trophies - when I got interested in football, it was from from the FIFA game, not the league itself. I picked the team with the only player I know of - Beckham [ironically, a product of the youth system].
I never even got to watch a proper football match until late 2007 [I believe it was Bolton against... Middlesbrough IIRC], because they're cable only. By then I was a full supporter. The fucking schedule alone is a pain in the ass [early kickoff is 8 pm here... The Chelsea - City match this all stemmed from? 4 in the fucking morning.].
That's the way football fans usually start supporting teams if they're not in a football obsessed country. The players you know, or whoever is winning [i.e. see Barcelona "supporter" above]. I don't apologize for that.
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Apparently, the "anyone but United" bandwagon is even bigger than the actual United bandwagon. I said this before, I'll say it again. We're not saints. We're just United.
Everyone's vilifying us for the money, and buying players and whatnot and breaking some transfer records. You forget we sold the most expensive player ever, a season or two removed from winning the Ballon d'Or; we sold an ex-England captain, one of the best wingers at the time, to the same fucking team; they were both arguably in their prime. Our players, regardless of skill or price, get sold, too. [You see Barcelona selling Messi any time soon? Or Xavi?] There's a reason SAF isn't sweating the Fairplay rule [though this rebuilding is sure to fuck things up some].
Hell, anyone asked Real lately how their two eras of galacticos went? Here we are, in the most loaded league in the planet, whereas they're in a two-horse race, and who won more? They have a Ballon d'Or winning player and a manager who managed a treble, both of whom they bought, what do they have?
Anyone remember why SAF called VDS, our best keeper since Schmeichel, the steal of the century?
Also, ever see a team crying because they just sold a player for millions more than he was worth? The reason players even sell for these damn ridiculous prices we get blamed for is partly the selling team's fault, too. We didn't sneak off into the night with their players for nothing.
You say we don't have a youth system? We have the most decorated player in English football, approaching 40, still starting, and obviously they don't care. Prob coz Giggsy is Welsh. When Scholes retired, everyone was heaping praise on him, including this guy Zidane [you may have heard of him]. Most of them either won something with United or moved on to some other club [i.e. got sold]. How many EPL teams manage that with their youth system?
And they said "you don't win anything with kids".
You say our manager exploited the market, etc etc? Sure. You also see the difference between Tevez fucking around at Man City, whereas he was sold at once by United? You understand the idea of "no player is bigger than the club"?
...
Great, now I'm pissed...
So, yeah. Go ahead and hate on us and the club we support. FFS, I'd never hear the end of this because of one measly post.And you guys think there's something wrong with us. How bout you take a look at the mirror, lads? Which of us is worse? The guy just supporting his club or the people who prosecute others based on who they support? Heck, if I was a two-face like some people [again, see Barcelona "supporter"], I'd prob own up to it.
Let me tell you something else.
First things first. This fucking quote. I'll be clear: all I was doing was joshing the Chelsea - City match and laughing at a clever hashtag on Twitter. Of course someone jumps me [and every other United supporter there is]. Apparently, everyone on Twitter is a United fan. To set the record straight: someone coined it, not me. I'm not sure who, or which club he supported, but attacking a particular group of people for something that a lot more are doing is wrong.
Maybe I should have passed it on to a non-United fan so he can post it. FFS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_United_F.C._Reserves_and_Academy#The_Academy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fergie%27s_Fledglings
Assuming you count the earlier ones, coz most of them have either retired or been sold. Pretty sure we have Cleverley and Welbeck, and apparently Pogba and Morrison might break through soon.
And yes, before you cry foul and condemn me... Yeah, I wiki'd it. I don't have a fucking list. Your move, Barcelona "supporter".
Firs things first. You're prob right. I could have supported another team. But I didn't. The reason I support them isn't the trophies - when I got interested in football, it was from from the FIFA game, not the league itself. I picked the team with the only player I know of - Beckham [ironically, a product of the youth system].
I never even got to watch a proper football match until late 2007 [I believe it was Bolton against... Middlesbrough IIRC], because they're cable only. By then I was a full supporter. The fucking schedule alone is a pain in the ass [early kickoff is 8 pm here... The Chelsea - City match this all stemmed from? 4 in the fucking morning.].
That's the way football fans usually start supporting teams if they're not in a football obsessed country. The players you know, or whoever is winning [i.e. see Barcelona "supporter" above]. I don't apologize for that.
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Apparently, the "anyone but United" bandwagon is even bigger than the actual United bandwagon. I said this before, I'll say it again. We're not saints. We're just United.
Everyone's vilifying us for the money, and buying players and whatnot and breaking some transfer records. You forget we sold the most expensive player ever, a season or two removed from winning the Ballon d'Or; we sold an ex-England captain, one of the best wingers at the time, to the same fucking team; they were both arguably in their prime. Our players, regardless of skill or price, get sold, too. [You see Barcelona selling Messi any time soon? Or Xavi?] There's a reason SAF isn't sweating the Fairplay rule [though this rebuilding is sure to fuck things up some].
Hell, anyone asked Real lately how their two eras of galacticos went? Here we are, in the most loaded league in the planet, whereas they're in a two-horse race, and who won more? They have a Ballon d'Or winning player and a manager who managed a treble, both of whom they bought, what do they have?
Anyone remember why SAF called VDS, our best keeper since Schmeichel, the steal of the century?
Also, ever see a team crying because they just sold a player for millions more than he was worth? The reason players even sell for these damn ridiculous prices we get blamed for is partly the selling team's fault, too. We didn't sneak off into the night with their players for nothing.
You say we don't have a youth system? We have the most decorated player in English football, approaching 40, still starting, and obviously they don't care. Prob coz Giggsy is Welsh. When Scholes retired, everyone was heaping praise on him, including this guy Zidane [you may have heard of him]. Most of them either won something with United or moved on to some other club [i.e. got sold]. How many EPL teams manage that with their youth system?
And they said "you don't win anything with kids".
You say our manager exploited the market, etc etc? Sure. You also see the difference between Tevez fucking around at Man City, whereas he was sold at once by United? You understand the idea of "no player is bigger than the club"?
...
Great, now I'm pissed...
So, yeah. Go ahead and hate on us and the club we support. FFS, I'd never hear the end of this because of one measly post.And you guys think there's something wrong with us. How bout you take a look at the mirror, lads? Which of us is worse? The guy just supporting his club or the people who prosecute others based on who they support? Heck, if I was a two-face like some people [again, see Barcelona "supporter"], I'd prob own up to it.
Oh, poor dear. You pick a team based on their success and the fact they have the resources to hold on to their young talent unlike, say, everton with rooney, and real football fans who support their local team don't take you seriously and look down on you. Life must be so hard, getting all those trophies without having to put in the emotional investment and people making fun of it on the Internet. Maybe Plymouth Argyle fans could start a collection for you.
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If being a "real football fan" means being a retarded twat who can't see beyond his own agenda, why the fuck would you think I'd want to be one? So I can learn the value of enjoying the act of shoving your shit down the throats of people who actually enjoy the sport?
Go fuck yourselves, internet bullies.
Go fuck yourselves, internet bullies.
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I just can't stand United coz the fans are a set of fukkin arseholes actually...... don't get me started on Fergie time, or ref bribing, or the fact they fluked probably 30pts last season........
No I'm not much of a hater... might've stroked one out watching the Basel match, but not much of a hater hahaaa.....
Bolton Wanderers here.....so when I see the Utd scum getting beat I'm bound to be chuffed - not much else be chuffed about when it comes to football at the moment.... We're still all sayig Owen Coyle will sort us out up here by the way - mind you we were saying the same thing 3 months back and things have got worse!
City only have themselves to blame for losing the match on monday - I watched the first half and they should've been, oooh, 4-0 up by the 30min mark.... still, the title's theirs to lose - another thumping win at Eastlands over them red rags should seal it!
No I'm not much of a hater... might've stroked one out watching the Basel match, but not much of a hater hahaaa.....Bolton Wanderers here.....so when I see the Utd scum getting beat I'm bound to be chuffed - not much else be chuffed about when it comes to football at the moment.... We're still all sayig Owen Coyle will sort us out up here by the way - mind you we were saying the same thing 3 months back and things have got worse!
City only have themselves to blame for losing the match on monday - I watched the first half and they should've been, oooh, 4-0 up by the 30min mark.... still, the title's theirs to lose - another thumping win at Eastlands over them red rags should seal it!
Cool, who are you going to support in the Olympics, USA or China?
If you want all the good times that comes from 'supporting' a team thousands of miles away based on the fact they were good on FIFA and they've got a player who appears in Pepsi adverts, you have to put up with people rolling their eyes at you. Such is life.
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