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Switch 4k will come out soon. Devs kits have already been sent out. It will feature nvdia dlss.



So what features you want to see in Nintendo next gen 4k console?
 

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Do you have any reliable source? Because for what I heard nintendo denied that they are producing a nintendo switch with 4k resolution
Of course Nintendo will deny it lol.
Nintendo also denied Switch OLED too and guess what happened. Switch OLED came out.


How long has the Switch been out now? To think Nintendo is not working on a successor to the Switch with 4k output is laughable.

Nintendo's denial is carefully worded PR speak.


Zynga a dev came out and said they had a dev kit. Thats an undeniable source. Hardly ever a dev comes out and says they have a development kit, not only that 11 companies have access to dev kits. This is overwhelming evidence.

Then after they denied it probably after Nintendo gave them shit.


Modern Vintage Gamer i'm sure you know him talks about it.



A new next gen Successor is coming out. To think it's not is lol.
 

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I saw an article on google that mentioned the switch 2 or whatever Nintendo names it being 4K, but it won't be bc with the switch, at least Nintendo is trying to fix that. however, as it stands, it's not designed to be. that will make me mad probably, since I own 171 switch games.
 

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This is a joke, right? Nintendo refuses to take a loss on hardware, and they seemingly refuse to match the price point of competitors' consoles as well ($500). Gaming laptops that can do 4K gaming, even at 30 FPS, are in the ballpark of $2000+. Now imagine shrinking that to the size of a portable, and you're looking at $3500+ easy.

4K video playback? Sure, that's far more realistic. Even the Tegra X1 that's in Switch now is capable of that if they allow for max CPU clock speed.
 

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I saw an article on google that mentioned the switch 2 or whatever Nintendo names it being 4K, but it won't be bc with the switch, at least Nintendo is trying to fix that. however, as it stands, it's not designed to be. that will make me mad probably, since I own 171 switch games.
It has to be backwards compatible. You will pass off an entire fan base that spend hundreds of dollars worth of games on the switch.

It has to play switch games because if not then It sends a message that digital purchases are not worth it and support will be cut off in a short time so don't spend you money on it. And Nintendo has been pushing digital. Not being bake to play your older games from the last generation is a deal breaker.

Microsoft set the standard on how to handle digital releases and backwards compatibility.
 

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This is a joke, right? Nintendo refuses to take a loss on hardware, and they seemingly refuse to match the price point of competitors' consoles as well ($500). Gaming laptops that can do 4K gaming, even at 30 FPS, are in the ballpark of $2000+. Now imagine shrinking that to the size of a portable, and you're looking at $3500+ easy.

4K video playback? Sure, that's far more realistic. Even the Tegra X1 that's in Switch now is capable of that if they allow for max CPU clock speed.
This is where dlss will help. If they stick to the switch format and keep cartridges support, dlss can help save space.

Instead of providing 4k assets that take way too much space they can instead make assets at a lower resolution which saves cartridge space and use the magic of AI to upscale to 4k. Plus it saves on resources that would've been wasted on resolution to instead use on graphics and framerate.
 
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This is a joke, right? Nintendo refuses to take a loss on hardware, and they seemingly refuse to match the price point of competitors' consoles as well ($500). Gaming laptops that can do 4K gaming, even at 30 FPS, are in the ballpark of $2000+. Now imagine shrinking that to the size of a portable, and you're looking at $3500+ easy.

4K video playback? Sure, that's far more realistic. Even the Tegra X1 that's in Switch now is capable of that if they allow for max CPU clock speed.
that was actually the concern or question in the article I read. it mentioned possibly being on par with the ps5 or xbox series x, but how in portable form without being an outrageous price. it just showed up on google on my phone.
 
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This is where dlss will help. If they stick to the switch format and keep cartridges support, dlss can help save space.
DLSS requires tensor cores, aka an RTX 2000 series GPU or better. Nvidia currently has no mobile APU/chipset that utilizes that technology, and Tegra X1 is using Maxwell (GTX 900 series) tech. I hate to burst your bubble, but even if Nvidia suddenly revealed a new APU in the coming months which skipped a whole generation, Nintendo would not be jumping in on that cutting edge hardware. They didn't even start buying up Tegra X1 chips until they were about five years old.
 

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that was actually the concern or question in the article I read. it mentioned possibly being on par with the ps5 or xbox series x, but how in portable form without being an outrageous price. it just showed up on google on my phone.
Yep, look at it this way: Steam Deck is about two times as powerful as Switch, costs $400 - $650, and Valve is subsidizing that price by taking a loss of roughly $150 on each unit sold. It's still an 800p device, the only difference is that it can run a larger library of games, and with higher graphics settings than Switch. Simply upgrading it to a 1080p screen would mean about $300 more tacked on, and it would decimate the battery life.

These rumors started well before Nintendo revealed the OLED Switch, and so they were basically put to rest the second it was announced. Portable technology just isn't there yet, and even if it were, why would Nintendo bother when they can sell 100 million units of much weaker hardware with minimal effort?
 

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DLSS requires tensor cores, aka an RTX 2000 series GPU or better. Nvidia currently has no mobile APU/chipset that utilizes that technology, and Tegra X1 is using Maxwell (GTX 900 series) tech. I hate to burst your bubble, but even if Nvidia suddenly revealed a new APU in the coming months which skipped a whole generation, Nintendo would not be jumping in on that cutting edge hardware. They didn't even start buying up Tegra X1 chips until they were about five years old.
4k output, dev kits and dlss has been consistent information at this point.
 

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it doesn't matter much to me tbh, since I don't have a 4K tv. don't even have a smart tv, but we plan to get rid of cable in the next month, which means a new tv for me that's smart capable, but I don't know about it being 4K.
 

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Yep, look at it this way: Steam Deck is about two times as powerful as Switch, costs $400 - $650, and Valve is subsidizing that price by taking a loss of roughly $150 on each unit sold. It's still an 800p device, the only difference is that it can run a larger library of games, and with higher graphics settings than Switch. Simply upgrading it to a 1080p screen would mean about $300 more tacked on, and it would decimate the battery life.

These rumors started well before Nintendo revealed the OLED Switch, and so they were basically put to rest the second it was announced. Portable technology just isn't there yet, and even if it were, why would Nintendo bother when they can sell 100 million units of much weaker hardware with minimal effort?
They are not rumors when devs came put and said they have dev kits. Nintendo also denied the Swtich OLED and it came out. Of course Nintendo will deny a next gen console and keep it under wraps.
 

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They are not rumors when devs came put and said they have dev kits.
Pressing X to doubt on that one. I haven't seen any official word from any developer of note to that tune.

Nintendo also denied the Swtich OLED and it came out.
The "4K Switch Pro" rumors started circulating over a year prior to OLED Switch's announcement. I don't remember anyone correctly predicting OLED Switch more than maybe a week or two prior.

Of course Nintendo will deny a next gen console and keep it under wraps.
Unless they're going back to a home console, there's basically no upgrade path for Switch until 2025-2026. And again, why bother when Switch has sold 90 million units and is still going strong? There's nothing to motivate them to do a sudden 180 in business strategy when their profits are so insanely high.

Steam Deck is the better product depending on who you ask, but it's also a much more niche product. Valve will be lucky to sell 10 million units, which means Nintendo has no reason to feel threatened by it (even though it'll probably be able to emulate Switch games at full speed).
 
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Pressing X to doubt on that one. I haven't seen any official word from any developer of note to that tune.


The "4K Switch Pro" rumors started circulating over a year prior to OLED Switch's announcement. I don't remember anyone correctly predicting OLED Switch more than maybe a week or two prior.


Unless they're going back to a home console, there's basically no upgrade path for Switch until 2025-2026. And again, why bother when Switch has sold 90 million units and is still going strong? There's nothing to motivate them to do a sudden 180 in business strategy when their profits are so insanely high.
11 developers to be exact. Overwhelming.

Around the beggining of this year was when the dev kits has been sent and rumors started. So it's been months of them rolling out dev kits and tons of dev have those kits now.

How much did the DS sell and they still came out with a Successor the 3DS. Or the wii to wii u.

PS5 and Series X is out. Nintendo's momentum has been going strong because of low supply of series x and ps5. But as soon as availability for Microsoft and Sony kicks up. That momentum won't last. It won't last with the steam deck coming out. Nintendo needs to come out with something that can compete with them.
 

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11 developers to be exact. Overwhelming.
Name just three major ones and link to their statements about having received a dev kit. Then maybe I'll start to take this rumor a little more seriously, depending on how definitive that evidence is.

How much did the DS sell and they still came out with a Successor the 3DS. Or the wii to wii u.
The DS to 3DS makes more sense as a comparison because they're both portable consoles like Switch. The jump in power was also pretty small. Which is why, again, I can believe 4K video output in an upcoming model refresh, but not 4K gaming.

Nintendo's momentum has been going strong because of low supply of series x and ps5.
IMO this is incorrect. Nintendo's momentum is going strong because they have the portable/hybrid market all to themselves in the console space. Switch doesn't really have to compete with PS5/Xbox Series because you can't play either of those on your lunch break or during a road trip.

That momentum won't last. It won't last with the steam deck coming out.
Again, more of a niche product, and with an entirely different target audience. Your average 8-16 year old does not have a large, preexisting library of Steam games. If, and only if, Valve sells north of 25 million units could I possibly believe Nintendo might start perceiving Steam Deck as a threat to Switch.
 

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Name just three major ones and link to their statements about having received a dev kit. Then maybe I'll start to take this rumor a little more seriously, depending on how definitive that evidence is.


The DS to 3DS makes more sense as a comparison because they're both portable consoles like Switch. The jump in power was also pretty small. Which is why, again, I can believe 4K video output in an upcoming model refresh, but not 4K gaming.


IMO this is incorrect. Nintendo's momentum is going strong because they have the portable/hybrid market all to themselves in the console space. Switch doesn't really have to compete with PS5/Xbox Series because you can't play either of those on your lunch break or during a road trip.


Again, more of a niche product, and with an entirely different target audience. Your average 8-16 year old does not have a large, preexisting library of Steam games. If, and only if, Valve sells north of 25 million units could I possibly believe Nintendo might start perceiving Steam Deck as a threat to Switch.
They don't want to be named because they want to be on Nintendo's good side. 1 dev screwed up, Zynga came out and they are developing the new starwars game.
 

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star wars on the switch would be pretty neat. I love no more heroes, acting like you're wielding a lightsabre or something. I bought all four games on that system. using the pro controller or a normal control in general with motion controls just feels awkward. I've been playing Ratchet and Clank on the ps5, and I love the feel of that controller more than the switch pro one. there's a weird feel to the R and L2 buttons that you get in game, not really when you just push the buttons when the console is off or in rest mode. there's almost a vibration feel to it. not sure how to explain it.
 

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