religion is somehow a type government?

Discussion in 'General Off-Topic Chat' started by Narayan, Apr 25, 2012.

  1. Narayan
    OP

    Narayan desu~

    Member
    2,921
    825
    Sep 29, 2010
    I've seen many people argue with god's existence using science, though I will say that my search was not the whole world, I have yet to see to question religion with psychology.

    How did I come to this conclusion? And if it was just another government, why is it effective? Because unlike a governments with corrupt leaders, unlike kingdoms with tyrants, religion has God, a ruler which we cannot question. Therefore most people don’t think bad of what is written in the bible, because they think it’s justifiable mostly for it is “the will of god”.

    Though people in the past planned this and worked great, people today think more. Thus some began to question the existence of this God and they were called atheists.
    When Darwin introduced his theory of evolution was known to the world, it was like when a corrupt government a official’s secrets being exposed. Little by little, people started
    doubting God and religion. And i'm not saying Darwin was the first to question religion. i just used this an example.

    I forgot when i started thinking deeply about religion, but I to make it shorter; I see religion as a system which keeps a group of people in place by using someone or something otherworldly(or a perfect image) to prevent rebellion.

    Also, I am neither a theist or an atheist, I'm an agnostic. I do not choose sides, i simply state my observations and waits for someone to prove me wrong, which may sound like i'm a troll but i do acknowledge it when someone provides a better argument.
     
  2. Blood Fetish

    Blood Fetish Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Member
    1,082
    359
    Nov 3, 2002
    United States
    “Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”
     
    TrolleyDave and air2004 like this.
  3. emigre

    emigre Oh Jeremy Corbyn

    Member
    8,025
    11,584
    Jan 28, 2009
    United States
    London
    Opium of the people, some might say.
     
  4. Skelletonike

    Skelletonike ♂ ♥ Gallant Pervert ♥ ♀

    Member
    2,913
    779
    Dec 26, 2008
    Steam City
    I've always believed in God and grew up believing in it. People choose what to believe in and while during the middle ages the name of God was used to excuse plenty of cruel things, it hasn't always been like that, I believe in God and in science, while I was still a teenager I was somewhat atheist for a year or so, but then in the end I got my faith back, sometimes weird things happen, that under normal circunstances wouldn't. I have plenty of friends that are atheists, orthodox, budists, I even had a few that were wiccan and satanic. x.x
    While we can't prove which religion, or lack of, is right or wrong, people have the right to believe in what they can, and if that religion makes them stronger and better people, then that's great for them.
    I do not tolerate people excusing evil deeds on religion tho, like some extremists do for example (the suicide bombers for example), while I respect their beliefs, anything that harms another person is just something unforgivable.
     
    1 person likes this.
  5. Midna

    Midna Banned

    Banned
    3,336
    839
    Apr 13, 2008
    Albania
    You in your early teens or something? That's when most kids have their existentialist revelation
     
    1 person likes this.
  6. Ace Overclocked

    Ace Overclocked My CPU's hot but my core runs cold.

    Member
    2,107
    288
    Jul 30, 2010
    Italy
    Somewhere
    i totally agree with you
    i really hate people who use islam for politic and other things, they exploit it and falsify its image
    i can really confirm that this kind of people (suicide bombers ie) are not really believers because it is forbidden to suicide or kill a person in any circumstances, that excuse they have ''they don't believe in god and should die'' is totally invalid, in islam god said that everyone should have the freedom to believe in what they want and we don't have the right to oblige them to do anything.
    they are just biased bitches
     
  7. Narayan
    OP

    Narayan desu~

    Member
    2,921
    825
    Sep 29, 2010
    no


    it's simply a matter of believing. i've also seen a video like the secret. beliefs can do a lot to a person. i'm also agreeing with you that having a religion is good if applied properly.
     
  8. BlueStar

    BlueStar GBAtemp Psycho!

    Member
    4,094
    427
    Jan 10, 2006
    UK
    No you haven't. You were born an atheist, with no belief in a God. You were then taught to be a Christian.

    And people have the right to call those beliefs ridiculous.
     
    4 people like this.
  9. Skelletonike

    Skelletonike ♂ ♥ Gallant Pervert ♥ ♀

    Member
    2,913
    779
    Dec 26, 2008
    Steam City
    Well, yeah, that's obvious. =3
    Just like every other religion.
     
  10. Fishaman P

    Fishaman P Speedrunner

    Member
    3,243
    507
    Jan 2, 2010
    United States
    Wisconsin
    Well, the Christians have taken over the U.S. government (dead serious), so it comes as no surprise.
     
  11. Lostbhoy

    Lostbhoy Advanced Member

    Newcomer
    97
    38
    Aug 23, 2009
    Scotland
    Oh man, I don't even want to get started on this subject!!!! My belief? It's all BS. **sticks fingers in ears and goes "lalalalalalalala" when the preaching begins**

    But there's a question.........If the Devil punishes us for being sinful and bad and whatnot, Isn't he just God's bitch, doing his work for him??


    Yeah. Think about it. :unsure:
     
  12. Ace Overclocked

    Ace Overclocked My CPU's hot but my core runs cold.

    Member
    2,107
    288
    Jul 30, 2010
    Italy
    Somewhere
    afaik it's not the devil
     
  13. xist

    xist ΚΑΤΑ ΤΟΝ ΔΑΙΜΟΝΑ ΕΑΥΤΟΥ

    Member
    5,861
    863
    Jul 14, 2008
    I think you need to go read up about Lucifer....
     
    2 people like this.
  14. Lostbhoy

    Lostbhoy Advanced Member

    Newcomer
    97
    38
    Aug 23, 2009
    Scotland
    LOL....no I don't!!! Harry Potter's more entertaining!!
     
  15. Foxi4

    Foxi4 On the hunt...

    pip Reporter
    23,594
    21,611
    Sep 13, 2009
    Poland
    Gaming Grotto
    If anything, he was born unaware of the concept. I believe in the blank slate rule - you are born with nothing but basic instincts and acquire principles as you grow, but I see what you are getting at. I partially agree - one is taught to follow a given religion, but one has also freedom of thought. There is a point in anyone's life when they make a conscious decision whether or not they believe in a divine entity - the nomenclature here doesn't matter, it can be Jehova or the flying spaghetti monster, hell, it can even be an unidentified force of some sort - the function is the same and the notions are similar. As for calling beliefs stupid, nobody has the right to call any religion dumb as religious teachings are not to be taken literally. Holy books are an attempt at creating universal moral frameworks - failed attempts, since the concepts of what is moral and what is immoral change and fluctuate as the time passes. This does not give you the right to mock them though. Religions are guidelines written by people for people - if there is a god and it wanted us to index rules that are set in stone it would probably rain bibles on sundays. My point is that it all runs down to the belief or its lack in a divine creature - a creator or designer of sorts, the force that put things in motion and created something from nothing. It is not something that can be refuted by scientific approaches - it's an entirely theological matter and those never go together. The moment you mix religion and science to approve or disapprove of either you become either a fanatic or an inconsiderate douche. Criticism is accepted, mocking is not.
     
    2 people like this.
  16. BlueStar

    BlueStar GBAtemp Psycho!

    Member
    4,094
    427
    Jan 10, 2006
    UK
    Of course it does. If someone says "I believe in magic boats and talking snakes" people have the right to say "That's an idiotic belief"

    Or, what, you can mock someone for believing that a Nigerian prince who emailed them is going to wire them $35m, but you're not allowed to mock someone who thinks some guy in the sky is going to give them eternal paradise if they silently tell him how great he is?

    Everyone absolutely has the right to mock religions. The bible openly mocks disbelief. Is that allowed?
     
  17. Skelletonike

    Skelletonike ♂ ♥ Gallant Pervert ♥ ♀

    Member
    2,913
    779
    Dec 26, 2008
    Steam City
    Not really... Unless you can actually prove something doesn't exist, you have no right to judge it, same for the oposite.
     
  18. Lostbhoy

    Lostbhoy Advanced Member

    Newcomer
    97
    38
    Aug 23, 2009
    Scotland
    So, in your theory we just accept everything because it can't be proved or disproved?

    What kind of chaotic crap is that to live under? Oh i forgot....religion!!! :)
     
  19. BlueStar

    BlueStar GBAtemp Psycho!

    Member
    4,094
    427
    Jan 10, 2006
    UK
    OK, I believe there is an invisible unicorn rotating the earth. You cannot prove that does not exist, therefore you cannot judge it. I believe you have murdered someone in the past. You cannot prove you did not, therefore you cannot pass judgement on my claim.

    Christians believe the Bible is true. The bible says

    "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

    So by your logic, people don't have the right to be Christians, because doing so is mocking people for their beliefs - saying they are a 'fool'.
     
  20. Narayan
    OP

    Narayan desu~

    Member
    2,921
    825
    Sep 29, 2010
    no, you try find proof. there's no such thing as can't be proved. by the moment you say those words, you already blocked your mind from further development.

    oh, and please avoid losing your cool here. unless you have something worthwhile to say, stop yourself from posting.


    i misread skell's post. i do not agree that something you cannot prove that doesn't exist cannot be judged. we have to judge everything. we have to think.
    though we must not forget that proof still doesn't exist so there's not final answer. just a belief.

    i don't know the word you are looking for but it's not judge,


    that makes you no different from them then. if that will be the case then you're simply mocking yourself.
    it doesn't mean that they do things they do, you do it too. you're simply throwing mud at each other.