New DSTT (Blister Packing) Fake or Factory Defect

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  1. Zolotor
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    Has anyone already opened the housing of the New DSTT version to see the PCB?
    I am referring to the NEW DSTT version, the one that comes in the new blister packaging?

    I recently received from a friend two New DSTT versions for comparison.
    One is working or detected by the DS Lite while the other is not detected.

    So I opened up the two for comparison. and attach the picture for your reference
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    Upon inspecting the 2 PCBs, they have some differences (refer to the picture above). But I am not sure if the faulty one is FAKE or just a factory defect since the DSTT Official website anti-fake guide seems to be referring to the OLD DSTT version. And the DSTT review on this site is based on the OLD DSTT Version, so I can't really compare.
    [​IMG]

    So what do you think? is this factory defect or possibly a new Fake already for the New DSTT Version.
     
  2. Hehe Moo

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    I think it's probably a factory defect. I doubt very much that a fake has already been produced for the new DSTT.

    So the retarded darker coloured one does not work? I'm pretty sure it's a factory defect.
     
  3. Zolotor
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    Yes the one on the right side is not working, it's not clear in the picture but the glass material is broken possibly because of the pressure or weight of the gob of black gunk.
    If you see the DSTT in the left side, the working one, the gunk is not placed over the glass material, hence it is not broken.

    But I wonder why the 2 PCBs have different color though.
     
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    Perhaps they're going for a cheaper material?
     
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    There's another problem:

    The pcb revision of your two dstt are older than expected.

    Look at the bottom near the contacts, it say "DSTT 6".

    Mine, blister packed bought almost the first day of the release of the new packaging, say "DSTT 7", so i don't think it's the newest you got in your hand, or maybe it's old DSTT re-packed.
     
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    This can't be an old version, as the PCB is different from the old version.
    [​IMG]

    I don't know what the numbers say, it could be just machine number 6 or number 7 made the DSTT. [​IMG]
    I Hope DSTT could answer this questions. I already emailed them but still no replies.
     
  7. Zolotor
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    Just an update.

    It turned out that my friend got 2 pcs. defective items. He bought 6 of this and 4 are good while 2 are bad.
    I took a picture of the two defectives with a working one. and looks like the same problem. The defective are also same color PCBs which is different in color with the working one.

    What are the odds, of having two defectives, with the same color of PCB? So is this fake or not?

    If this is a factory defect, it is possible that the entire line of this kind of PCB color is defective, and shouldn't it be checked by DSTT before being dispatched to its dealers.

    btw, the 6 DSTTs are ordered from DX.

    [​IMG][​IMG]
     
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    I think the best thing would to be to email the DSTT Team with the pictures. They would most likely know more.
     
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    Do keep us up to date though, if you find anything out.
     
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    Yeah, I got the same thing too. the upper glass-y rectangle got that black smudge on it.. but it wasn't cracked tho
    I uploaded the .dat files and folders and all I got was the MicroSD pix stuck in LOADING... [​IMG]
     
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    I have just had 2 dstt's go 'white screen of death' on me. Worked for a few days, now will only get past the white screen in 1in50 attempts, doesn't matter wether the mem card is in or not, 1in50 attempts will get past the white screen and show 'no-card'.. so it's definately the dstt's that are at fault as they act the same on any DS.

    Also have seen a few people are now reporting the same error on the DX site, so beware of a new bad-batch all [​IMG]
     
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    Yes, I have.
    Differences from DealExtreme versus anti-fake page at http://www.ndstt.com/en/anti_fake.html :

    Packaging
    Official site: TT logo seen on top of part of plastic.
    DealExtreme: no TT logo. Now perhaps the official site is outdated, but perhaps not... maybe the official are selling with TT logo on the transparent plastic bit. Any thoughts, people?

    Interesting note is the black on the packaging has bits of whitish areas on it... seems to be the design 'cause the official website shows an inconsistent black area, too.

    Flash Cart exterior
    Official site: Shots showing front of cart have left-side MicroSD slot (when TT sticker facing you)
    DealExtreme: cart has right-aligned MicroSD slot (when TT sticker facing you)
    Note: Official site says there shouldn't be any more stock of the left-aligned MicroSD carts, as they stopped production some months ago.

    Flash Cart interior shots
    Official Site pics versus DealExtreme model: Pic showing "stopped production" model most close to DealExtreme's model. From shell design to circuit.
    Notable differences:
    1) number 6 printed on PCB above gold finger (second from the right) instead of number 8 third from the right on official site.
    2) C104 designation written vertically instead of horizontally on official site pic
    3) top-right chip has 'bulge' on it, also seems smaller. Also is surrounded by white square with text NT and MT inside it.
    4) 'new' production supposedly has the microSD card on the OTHER side. These blister-packed carts should be the new cards, but it's best to confirm with service@ndstt.com

    There may be other minor differences but those are the main ones I spotted.

    Conclusion?
    Send pics to service@ndstt.com and ask if they're real. Do not mention where you bought it. They might say that they're fakes if you mention DealExtreme since DealExtreme were selling fakes with the the 'fake' PCB design and no doubt they have been inundated with 'is this fake' emails in the past, most of which from DealExtreme. Perhaps DealExtreme have changed to legit now, or perhaps they have not and the new carts are just better at cloning the internals than the older ones (the fact that they now seem to use the same number of components is promising).

    If nobody sends their internal pics, I will send mine, which, btw, are identical, except for the broken cracked chip in the top-right, which is non-cracked here, otherwise identical [​IMG]

    If they say they are fakes, I, for one, am asking for a full refund. I won't tolerate any bold lies because DealExtreme claim they are fully genuine:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15613
    PS. They are now only shipping in black from DealExtreme, but I expect the PCB to be the same and the MicroSD slot to be aligned the same. Would love confirmation, though.

    More news as it comes to hand, I hope. Keep us updated anyone who can add to this.
     
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    Yep, after all this time thinking DX were selling geniune DSTT, it would seem we were wrong. They just disguised it better, and there's no real way to know unless you rip the cart apart.

    Anyway the last 2 i bought are definate fakes confirmed by the latest fake pics on ndstt.com. Don't know about the others beforehand since they are all running 1.14/1.15 software and are still working fine, so there's no reason to rip them apart to confirm wether it's fake or not, but I bet they are fakes too.
     
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    Another good reason to simply not buy this card and get at least an Ak2.1

    Its like an extra $2 people. Skip your starbucks one morning and get yourself a card that works [​IMG]
     
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    The ones shown in the OP appear to be factory defects judging from the "anti fake" page on the ndstt.com website. My guess is that if you get a fake from dealextreme.com it's from old inventory they're trying to unload.

    I have to agree with EmperorOfCanada though. Just get an Acekard 2. A better cart for around the same cost and you don't have to worry about whether or not it's a fake or will get destroyed by the firmware.

    -Bri
     
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    There's some changes on DX:

    Now the blister packaged NDSTT is again the real one...

    The fake claim to be another manufacturer and is now sold at an amazing low price under the name "CNDSTT".
     
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    Spends you moneys and take your choice!!!

    who knows what you'll get [​IMG]
     
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    I got a few things off deal extreme before and never had an issue - and i saw that they had warnings about the fakes so i decided to give it a try - i ordered 10 of them to see and the first one i opened was Fake 5 on the diagrams

    It had the correct lables on the card and was glued shut so i had to use extreme force to open it (if you'll excuse the humour there).

    Anyway - they all worked ok on my wii , until i tried them on others and bang .. im not too impressed now to be honest.

    I had ordered a few more , but i may cancel that order if this isnt resolved and the cards replaced.
     

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