Might be years for another Kernal exploit (5.0+ firmware)

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  1. spinner09
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    Just wanted to take a quick look at this timeline:
    Nintendo 3DS came out February 2011.
    Between Feb 2011 to Dec 2012 (22 months), no kernel exploits discovered. Firmwares 1.0 to 4.0 don't yield anything interesting.
    December 2012, Neimod discovers a big one, but brags about it. Tech news sites, blogs, and forums fill with speculation and chatter. It quickly catches Nintendo's attention.
    Neimod, realizing the jig is up, quietly sells exploit info to a Chinese team (allegedly), who end up making the Gateway.
    Before Gateway is even announced, Nintendo already found the exploit and patched it in less than 3 months with update 5.0 (March 2013).
    August 2013, first flash cart comes out with Gateway promising "support for 6.x+ soon", which we know is not possible.

    Another note:
    Firmware 4.1 came out in May 2012, and the exploit was discovered in late December 2012. It took over 7 months for it to be found (assuming Neimod was searching since May 2012).

    Nintendo are going to be meticulous with future updates, not risking another exploit "slipping through" like they did in the 4.1 update. So the chances of a kernel exploit for 5.0 and above anytime soon is very slim.
    I don't understand the logic behind people here who say "I'll just wait for an exploit for my 6.1 3DS". It's not going to happen.
     


  2. redkeyboard

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    I wouldn't directly compare the time to find the first exploit to the possible time to find another exploit. There's really no correlation. With 4.5 hacked you can achieve greater understanding of the firmware which could end up being useful for firmwares 5.0+
     
  3. mr. fancypants

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    did neimod found it by coincidence or did he real searched? if it was coincidence i think we'll need the same coincidence like back then. and having such chances are slim to (nearly) not existing

    but on the orter hand it would be possible that a 6.xx exploit is found tomorrow cuz who knew at 28 may that the next day a 3ds flashcart would be announced which can really play 3ds games and wouldn't stuck on 72%
     
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    That's not how it works.
    Just wait and see.

    And as far as I understand 5.0 shuffled some RAM stuff around to increase performance, breaking the addresses the exploits rely on, not really patching the exploit.
     
  5. spinner09
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    I'm an not well versed on the modding scene, so please explain how it works.
    Also, even if you're right about 5.0, what about 6.0 and beyond? The exploit must have been long since patched by then.
     
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    When they have more information about the 3DS OS, they can start probing for other exploits.
    Possible exploit on 7.0?
    8.0?

    We'll never know.
     
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  7. mr. fancypants

    mr. fancypants that´s ´Sir´ for you!

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    maybe than we are interested in hacking the 4ds?
     
  8. FAST6191

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    "first flash cart comes out with Gateway promising "support for 6.x+ soon", which we know is not possible."

    How do we "know" this? Likewise I am always apprehensive about using certainties when it comes to hacking things.

    I am afraid future predicting timelines of this sort when it comes to hacking are pretty much useless.

    To that end your title might be right and it might also happen tomorrow, neither is especially improbably either, assuming the 3ds does not become a major hacking target (and so very few games and easy to make portable homebrew for the likes of android do not see me hopeful that it will happen any time soon) of course.
     
  9. Ron

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    Past performance is not indicative of future results.

    An exploit can be found at any moment regardless of how long it took to find the 4.5 exploit. However, yellows8 and neimod seem to be more interested in documenting the internals of the 3DS rather than finding an exploit on 5.x+, and there is nothing wrong with that. Perhaps another team will find another one, or once they're happy with the state of their documentation, they'll work towards an exploit on 5.x+.

    As well, you have to remember that the end goal is homebrew, not piracy. If they discover an exploit, they may very well keep it to themselves until they make it reasonably difficult to use towards piracy.

    There is no way to predict the actions of the scene based on the past alone.
     
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  10. Foxi4

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    Might take years. Might also happen tomorrow. You never really know when a breakthrough discovery is going to be made, that's a pretty important characteristic of discoveries, you don't expect them. :)
     
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    It probably will take a long time but when it does I would like it to come from Smealum. Then again, I probably say this because I haven't heard much from Neimod :lol::yaynds:
     
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    Smealum never found any exploits, why would he suddenly be the one to find them?

    A great way to speed up the discovery of exploits is to do your own research. Grab a 4.5.0 system, check out Gateway's payload, and work your way from there...
     
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    thats- like all the other things in live- easier said than done and if u want to expolit a 6.00 3ds wouldnt you neet a 6.00 3ds?
     
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    If you've got the system exploited on 4.5.0 you're able to do all you want with any firmware version.
     
  15. Vappy

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    With the ability to decrypt firmwares, it could be much easier to find exploits. Of course, that would require Smealum et al. to release tools for doing so, which they likely won't.
     
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    BTW Kernal is spelled like Kernel.
     
  17. WulfyStylez

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    No, that would require people to do their own work. Decrypting firmwares is fairly easily done on any exploited system, and the building blocks to have your own are very well out there. If you can't find a way to hack the system through a known exploit, there's no way you're going to find an exploit in the first place, even with a decrypted firmware in your hands.
     
  18. PedroDJavier

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    I think that it´s more possible that exist a game exploit for example: MARIO KART 7 we load a modifiqued rom in a 4.5 3ds whit gateway 3ds. When a 6.3 user use 3ds download Play and download our mario kart game for playing whit us, his 3ds execute the exploit. Its only an idea
     
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    So let me get this straight. You joined today strictly to post this thread (I've assumed this, based on the fact your join date is today, and your only two posts are in this thread), give your reasoning, only to reveal in your second post that you're not well versed in this scene? Was your intent to give your opinion, or was it to try and convince people to see things your way? If it's the former, mission accomplished. If it was the latter, you're out of your fucking mind.
     
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    What makes me sort of suspicous is people who are hacking/cracking things like 3DS but then say 'well I figured it out but I refuse to release it to the scene because I don't want my work used for piracy'. Makes no sense really. Their work is required for both homebrew and piracy, but they won't release it to the crowd interested in bringing homebrew.......and yet mysteriously a 'pirating' device like Gateway shows up. So I think these people that do find exploits that claim they won't release them very likely do sell them to or join teams (for money) such as Gateway.

    Just a theory and I really don't give a damned as hey $$$ talks and BS walks.....I just find it a bit odd. Look at guys like C4ever (I realize he has probably made mega money in donations) and GeoHot who have truly released their work for free, add DarkAlex and WiiGator to that list as well. These are the real 'heroes' of the scene and guys that just post videos and act like they have something but you can't have it sort of annoy me....keep it to yourself and sell it to the HK crowd. If you aren't goig to share then don't go dangling carrots in our faces!