Marcan Clarifies

[Foxi4]

Right, but there is no point in announcing it to the world. It would have been better if it wasn't mentioned at all.

That's not how sports work. The question was "who will do what first" - they announced it so they're the "winners" in said sports. For all intents and purposes, you're just the spectator. This is the equivalent of you being mad because Usain Bolt didn't give you his gold medal after you've seen the Olympics.

 

[the_randomizer]

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[Rydian]

Would you be so kind and elaborate how we can contribute?

You could try looking at user users and see what they do to contribute. As some examples...

• Write up documentation once you learn how to use something so that user users don't stumble the way you did.
• Do testing and bug reporting to help the devs improve their work, if they ask for such feedback.
• Start a fundraiser to reward a dev for their work and convince them to update something they normally wouldn't want to.

the_randomizer has amnesia.

That explains everything.

 

[the_randomizer]

the_randomizer has amnesia.

That explains everything.

If I come up with something, maybe, just maybe.

 

[[Truth]]

They are not currently interested enough to do all the library and driver work that would be required to do the same thing in U mode

This, this, this!

They had fun finding the actual exploit, but nobody from these 31 people feels like (what's the English translation of "keinen Bock haben"?) doing the brute work now (aka preparing the exploit for the enduser).

 

[the_randomizer]

This, this, this!

They had fun finding the actual exploit, but nobody from these 31 people feels like (what's the English translation of "keinen Bock haben"?) doing the brute work now (aka preparing the exploit for the enduser).

Maybe I should contribute....how do we convince them? Would contributing really help?

 

[WiiUBricker]

Let's face it. They are afraid that Waninkoko could show up and make a cIOS U

 

[the_randomizer]

Let's face it. They are afraid that Waninkoko could show up and make a cIOS U

Don't hold your breath, unless some miracle happens and they change their mind, don't get too excited.

I gotta be honest, it's hard not to be negative right now, it's hard not to overreact with everyone on edge.

 

[The Catboy]

This, this, this!

They had fun finding the actual exploit, but nobody from these 31 people feels like (whats the english translation of "keinen Bock haben"?) doing the brute work now (aka preparing the exploit for the enduser).

Then why not just release what they have? If they aren't interested, then let other people work on it.
They seem to think it's boring, then why not spice things up? Right now they actually have the power to make things interesting, but instead they're just like, "Meh we're not interested, so no one is interested."
That is my major issue with this.

But honestly if they did find an exploit, there is only time before more people find it, release it, and take credit for it.

 

[Coto]

Why should I insult you? People take things too personally. And what Rydian said was the most mature adult comment I've read all day. Telling someone not to have kids and implying they're incapable of crossing the road without getting killed isn't being overly irritable at all. Boy, even I wouldn't go that far.

Guys at libretroarch have left. Know why? because you kept bashing them. Then you excused, they said no probie, then you did it again, at least three times, then they left.

A child could say "dizhomebrewsuckz", and we all know it's a child, but when someone with a few ages ahead behaves like one in the end breaks, pisses off any respect, or "partnership" that coders could build. If you're an user, expect everything free to be a gift, and if you're given the possibility to share an idea, or improve some factor, god bless that someone working for free, as requires insanely amounts of time/thinking/logic to do it, moreover the app already has some advanced features, that requires re-coding over and over so homebrew devs "pleases" any idea(s) given by users.

The problem is, users show no respect for devs, so in the end devs do the same.

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Though,I hate supreme god devs (or mathematicians). Those who didn't spend enough time with human beings, and think their logic is perfect, or they're so smart, that everyone should beg them for help. I guess living between just numbers and computers will give you a sad life, anyway.

 

[Vappy]

(whats the english translation of "keinen Bock haben"?)

'Can't be bothered'

And it's been said many times in this thread already, but it really is a sad state we've reached! A console so uninteresting that even the homebrew devs who could open it up aren't interested any more. Looks like, in the coming generation(s), 'console hacking' is going to fall exclusively to the companies who do it only for profit, and only sell game loaders or ones infested with DRM. I guess we can hope that the PS4 and neXtBox have enough to pique their interest again, since they are both supposedly touting some powerful hardware.

 

[the_randomizer]

Then why not just release what they have? If they aren't interested, then let other people work on it.
They seem to think it's boring, then why not spice things up? Right now they actually have the power to make things interesting, instead they're just like, "Meh we're not interested, so no one is interested."

But honestly if they did find an exploit, there is only time before more people find it, release it, and take credit for it.

Perhaps they need a little....motivation. Just because they're not interested doesn't mean no one else is. If they want people to be interested, maybe they need to let other people help with QA testing. I can guarantee that if that were to happen, there would be more interest.

 

[Rydian]

Then why not just release what they have? If they aren't interested, then let other people work on it.
They seem to think it's boring, then why not spice things up? Right now they actually have the power to make things interesting, instead they're just like, "Meh we're not interested, so no one is interested."

But honestly if they did find an exploit, there is only time before more people find it, release it, and take credit for it.

They don't want to release the raw exploit info because then anybody could take it and make a "standard" ISO loader. Not only do they not want the ISO loader to exist, but they fear that if it happens quickly, most other people won't bother making real homebrew for the system (using their experience in the PS3 scene as an example).

So from their point of view, it'd be detrimental to their views if they released it. So they do not release it. Sort of like how it'd be detrimental of me to include pics of my penis in this post. So I choose not to do it, and it's less work on top of it all, so win-win.

 

[kisamesama]

I kind of agree with Marcan on "why bother with closed systems when there are more and more opened gaming systems now" .. I will stick with my pc for hardcore gaming You can't go wrong with a pc for hardcore gaming. I will save my money and invest in an upgrade on my pc vs a console

 

[the_randomizer]

They don't want to release the raw exploit info because then anybody could take it and make a "standard" ISO loader. Not only do they not want the ISO loader to exist, but they fear that if it happens quickly, most other people won't bother making real homebrew for the system (using their experience in the PS3 scene as an example).

So from their point of view, it'd be detrimental to their views if they released it. So they do not release it. Sort of like how it'd be detrimental of me to include pics of my penis in this post. So I choose not to do it, and it's less work on top of it all, so win-win.

So are you saying that we can't rule out homebrew being impossible altogether, that there might be a chance sometime down the road? There's got to be some way to help convince them, because I don't know if contributing would.

 

[Rydian]

So are you saying that we can't rule out homebrew being impossible altogether, that there might be a chance sometime down the road?

Correct. This thread and set of quotes is just about why the specific people who already worked on some part of it do not want to work on the rest of it.

That's why it's titled "Marcan Clarifies"...

 

[dickfour]

The problem with open consoles is that the games just are not the same caliber, at least not yet.

 

[the_randomizer]

Correct. This thread and set of quotes is just about why the specific people who already worked on some part of it do not want to work on the rest of it.

That's why it's titled "Marcan Clarifies"...

Good. As long as there's still a chance, not all is lost. As for ISO loaders, I couldn't care less. Region locking removal, old-school emulators I look forward to. Glad there's still hope.

 

[Scuba156]

Feels like a very familiar scene with an in crowd of Devs. 31 people who have the means to develop for the Wii U so the general consensus is that there is no interest in actually developing for it. So what about the others who actually do have an interest in developing for it such as myself that isn't apart of this circle?

The 360 homebrew wasn't dead due to no interest, it was a lack of availability and the lack of any sort of combined community due to an "in crowd" of elitists. I was a homebrew developer for the 360, and I left the scene twice after attempting to get back into it due to the constant 'bullying' from these groups who only class the "in crowd" as actual developers and class everyone else as shit. The homebrew scene has been dying all around due to the online personas these people have which brings a lack of interest in being apart of that bullshit scene, but not a lack of interest in developing for these closed systems.

If they choose not to release any details, then that's fine, they discovered that information and they can do what they want with it, that's their choice. Just don't act like dickbags, act like elitist gods that you think you are, or bring others down in doing so.

 

[The Catboy]

They don't want to release the raw exploit info because then anybody could take it and make a "standard" ISO loader. Not only do they not want the ISO loader to exist, but they fear that if it happens quickly, most other people won't bother making real homebrew for the system (using their experience in the PS3 scene as an example).

So from their point of view, it'd be detrimental to their views if they released it. So they do not release it. Sort of like how it'd be detrimental of me to include pics of my penis in this post. So I choose not to do it, and it's less work on top of it all, so win-win.

I honestly didn't think of it in that way. Not going to lie, I was looking more at this for the homebrew perspective and wasn't really thinking about the iso loaders.

Guess when you look at it with the perspective that they don't want their code to be used for piracy, then yeah I now understand why they don't want to release it.