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  1. Rydian

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    Marcan, reknowned Wii and Wii U hacker, has posted logs to clarify many of the rumors going around, and also to give his thoughts on recent developments and 'the scene' in general. It includes commentary from people such as neimod and tueidj and covers a variety of subjects currently being discussed (with minimal censoring), so it's worth a read for anybody who's curious what's going on.

    This post contains a majority of the important viewpoints and statements, organized by subject matter. In order to see the original context and questions, please follow the "Full IRC Log" link at the bottom of this post.


    < marcan> 31 trustworthy people have the info from last year. if nobody has released anything yet it's because nobody is motivated/interested enough to do anything with it.
    < marcan> I think there's a collective "meh" sentiment about the WiiU. it was fun breaking it but nobody really feels like building an ecosystem out of it
    < marcan> and we saw what happens when you just throw your stuff at people and tell them to run with it (see PS3), so that's not going to happen
    < marcan> 31 is a lot of people; if nobody feels like it maybe it isn't worth it.
    < marcan> (also, there's a very real chance that the wiikey guys are just fishing for info and don't really have a viable product, so releasing now would be a stupid move as far as avoiding helping warez)

    <@marcan> heck, other than random twittards, I've heard basically no noise/pestering for us to release stuff
    <@marcan> I think there really isn't as much interest as there should be to make this viable/worth it
    <@marcan> part of it is that the wiiu indeed isn't selling well, I think
    <@marcan> *I should qualify that I value noise from real devs. there's plenty of noise from gbatemp, but we all know they just want warez.

    < marcan> delroth: it's getting better because for the past few generations we did all the work for the warezors, so they got lazy and incompetent
    < marcan> if we get lazy and unmotivated, they might be too incompetent to break the new ones
    < marcan> <insert 'get off my lawn' remark about warezors knowing what they were doing in the 90s>

    < marcan> delroth: I bet they spent a week fishing sectors out of RAM like they used to on LG? drives for wii games
    < marcan> or something equally retarded :D
    < marcan> it's too easy when you have full control of the software, and the PC warezors, unlike the console ones, haven't had the opportunity to get lazy

    < marcan> not as awesome as us though, we did have to pull of a pretty epic <censored> attack for the wii u :)
    < marcan> it's a bit scary how well these things work sometimes

    <@marcan> heck, the most interesting bit so far was the compat VI
    <@marcan> and we already reverse engineered that :)

    <@marcan> sure, it's a basic PPC, but the multicore stuff is trickier (and not that common in 32-bit ppc)
    <@marcan> also, it has bugs.
    <@marcan> as in need to patch libpthreads to make it work kind of bugs.
    <@marcan> it's kind of sad.
    <@marcan> (they'd never pass this stepping off as a general purpose CPU, but I guess it was good enough for a console)

    <@marcan> oh, running on one core would be easy (basically wii compat mode), but where's the fun in that
    <@marcan> Muzer: fwiw you CAN get three cores in wii mode, with restrictions, with some tricks. but good luck getting libogc ported to multicore :P (so there's really no point)

    <@marcan> yeah, but someone still needs to do the RE and write some drivers for it.
    <@marcan> I don't trust myself to move this forward, and people are disinterested enough that I have my doubts that the whole ecosystem really would prosper

    <@delroth> marcan: my take on this is just that the wiiu is not an interesting console.
    <@marcan> delroth: yeah. I mean, the controller is cute, but everything else is just bog standard
    <@marcan> sure, three cores, woohoo, but we have quad-core ARMs now
    <@marcan> also, the SIMD is still made of fail
    <@marcan> that's still what I find the saddest about the CPU

    <@shuffle2> i think it would be interetsing to know how some other hardware is working (like compat gpu/dsp,bd) but not incredibly interesting to use them, unlike the gamepad
    <@marcan> shuffle2: dsp is just the same old dsp with more sram. bd is SATA/AHCI. compat gpu I still think is just a bolted-on GX

    <@marcan> and the wiiu GPU is just a stupid outdated radeon
    <@marcan> there's really nothing interesting

    < marcan> yeah, at this stage with Steam on Linux and Android, I'm having a hard time seeing that big a future for traditional consoles
    < marcan> why buy closed platforms when open ones are cheaper and better
    < marcan> m_b_v: that's the point - publishers just need to get their act together and start releasing for android and PC.
    <@marcan> I'm too lazy to port Linux to the Espresso when I can be writing karaoke software. or something.

    <@marcan> ouya is open IIRC, though I didn't back that project. I find the hardware lacking.

    <@delroth> just like xbox360... no "real" homebrew scene because it has nothing interesting
    <@marcan> delroth: and PS3, except for SPU stuff under linux (which was popular at one point, but now that a random x86 has more GFLOPS and GPUs whoop its ass, nobody cares any more

    <@marcan> the GC was the last console with sensible disc media
    <@marcan> they managed to keep loading times sane
    <@marcan> heck, the GC was awesome in almost every way
    <@marcan> (in its day)
    <@marcan> best controllers, best game media storage/performance balance, nice CPU and GPU (for its time)
    < inf> i heard development for it was pretty easy too right?
    <@marcan> the GC? yeah, compared to the PS2 anyway
    <@marcan> the xbox1 was easy too, but that's just because it was a PC running Windows NT

    <@tueidj> ninty thought the gc GPU was so nice, they reused it for the wii

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  2. Joe88

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    thats right, nothing but pirates here :tpi:
     
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    He knows us so well.
     
  4. the_randomizer

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    Nothing but dirty pirates...nope....just uh....pirates, yeah, that's the ticket. Announcing a potentially working Wii U hack they won't release even if hell freezes over isn't a douche thing to do, nope, not in the least.

    Well, of course! Lumping all people together and branding them as pirates due to the actions of a few people is always a good thing to do right? It works for racial profiling, right??
     
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    "oh look at me I have the info and you don't. blah blah blah". god I hate selfish devs.
     
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    You obviously misunderstand the relationship between hackers and GBAtemp because for the most part people here are just idiot leeches who know nothing of what they're doing.
    Me included.
     
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    Pretty sure that he worked hard to get it and if he's unwilling to release it, fearing the spread of warez then hey -- he's entitled to, it's the fruits of his work. Sure, we may not like that, but nothing stops us from trying to get the same info ourselves (except for the glaring lack of knowledge or experience on the subject :ninja:).

    In any case, what's depressing in what he says is that nobody seems to be interested in the WiiU, not even for Homebrew purposes, which is weird considering how successful the Wii's Homebrew Scene was.

    This is true in 99% of cases. GBATemp started off as a ROM distribution site and despite the fact that that part of the site's history is already in the past, the general mentality of its users is still backup-oriented whether we like it or not.
     
  8. the_randomizer

    the_randomizer The Temp's official fox whisperer
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  9. Foxi4

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    A whole lot of white hat hackers don't have the "betterment of the world of Homebrew" agenda - they hack for sport and as such, it comes to them naturally that they announce their successes among the crowd which plays the same sport. They didn't exactly log on GBATemp and make a USN thread; they spoke about it among themselves and answered questions.
     
  10. Rydian

    OP Rydian Resident Furvert™
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    • Crown3DS
      • Possibility of a product that might come out that might allow you to play 3DS ROMs.
      • Nothing substantial actually exists.
      • Pages: 86.

    • Terraria Trainer
      • 'Homebrew' tool to cheat at a game.
      • Actual release, download included.
      • Pages: <1
    Yes GBATemp, "we care about more than piracy", right, keep saying that until you believe it!

    You're a prime example of the problem.

    Shut. The Fuck. Up.
     
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  11. the_randomizer

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    ..............

    Elaborate, exemplify. Could you be so kind as to tell me what Hector Marcan said is so good about the clarification? Why is this good news to the hacking scene?
     
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    "<@marcan> heck, other than random twittards, I've heard basically no noise/pestering for us to release stuff"

    https://twitter.com/fail0verflow

    Who could these "twitards" he mentioned be ;)


    +1
     
  13. Rydian

    OP Rydian Resident Furvert™
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    I've given you this kind of talk before, but seeing how quickly you keep on going back to your old ways each time I guess I should try to clarify again.

    You are what's known as a 'leech'. You go around using other people's free work and then bitch for more. The word 'leech' is used specifically because it has a negative connotation (a reference to a classification of organisms that suck blood while giving nothing back to the host). You pester devs, constantly bring up old shit, argue with them about things they don't care about, pressure them to do things they don't want to do, and then if they don't act according to the way you want them to, you go around publicly insulting them.

    Now, you don't need to actually be a homebrew dev to not be considered a leech. You could try looking at user users and see what they do to contribute. As some examples...
    Or at the very least, you could just pop a "thanks", use their work, and not go around badmouthing them.

    One reason many people here seem to loathe your presence in a thread is that your bad behavior pushes devs away (*cough* retroarch *cough*). GBATemp doesn't need yet MORE reasons to be looked at as a bundle of leechers.
     
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    the_randomizer The Temp's official fox whisperer
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    Well, at least you're being honest. I'm not going to get upset or dwell on this conversation as that would be counterproductive. What am I going to do? I don't know, but I do admit it, I am a leech and I have a nasty habit of bitching more than a Twilight Mom when they found out that Edward and Bella broke up in real life, but at least you pointed it out. Why should I get upset? I have a lot of things I need to work on, I won't deny it, and this is one of them. I keep telling myself I won't do it, I won't do it, but I regress like douche and start over once again; lather rinse repeat. That right there explains my notoriety.

    I admit I was wrong, and the devs do indeed need as much support as possible. Who knows, maybe something good will come of it, but only time will tell.

    But it is what it is I guess. If people want to hate and despise me for my social ineptitude, so be it.
     
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  15. Sicklyboy

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    You're also comparing what was potentially the first flashcart for the 3DS, a system that to this day remains unhacked, versus cheats for a computer game.

    Let's compare 2014 cars to flat pack furniture from IKEA while we're at it to see if this website really cares more about cars than interior design.
     
  16. Foxi4

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    It's hard to find more appropriate examples though - you'd have to find a flashcart that does only homebrew and compare it to a flashcart that does both homebrew and backups.

    OWAIT, iPLA-- nevermind, iPlayer is dead. :ph34r:
     
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    Is it dead because of GBATemp though, or is it possibly the fact that most people who are looking for a flashcart are looking for one with the intent of pirating games on it, not just someone who wants to play music or homebrew only.

    If we're gonna throw random threads around, here's 97 pages of people discussing what they've accomplished in gaming - http://gbatemp.net/threads/what-did-you-accomplish-in-gaming-today.332113/

    Edit - here we go, 132 pages on a mod for Pokemon, perfectly able to be used on a legal dump of ones own game - http://gbatemp.net/threads/pokémon-blaze-black-pokémon-volt-white.286850/
     
  18. Rydian

    OP Rydian Resident Furvert™
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    Yeah, Foxi nailed it (as usual). The iPlayer is the homebrew-only flash cart, and it failed so hard that most GBATemp members never even heard of it.

    And...
    http://gbatemp.net/forums/homebrew-bounty-entries.180/
    GBATemp Homebrew Bounty.

    GBA Emulator: 94 Pages
    PadSend: 2 Pages
    World Heroes Supreme Justice Extra: 1 Page
    etc.
    The only other thing that comes close is DS2x86, another emulator.
     
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    I deserved the reprimand, suffice to say
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  20. Sicklyboy

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    You can emulate legal dumps last I checked, no? Emulation does not directly lead to piracy. I know it's usually the case but it's more than possible to dump and run your own backups only.
     
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