Hacking Making gateway 3ds support multiple Roms on 1 SD card.

[WiiUBricker]

I'm just pointing out that the idea of "if a cart doesn't have it at launch it won't have it" doesn't logic.

I thought I already pointed out that supporting multiple roms per SD card is a basic feature of a flashcart, not a luxury. If they failed to include this basic feature most likely they encountered a technical limitation that stopped them from doing so. If I recall correctly, Crown3DS was abandoned because the team encountered a technical issue which they couldn't solve. And who knows, maybe the Crown3DS card has all the features (or missing features) of Gateway but the team refused to release an incomplete card. Perhaps gateway is a huge scam.

 

[Rydian]

I thought I already pointed out that supporting multiple roms per SD card is a basic feature of a flashcart, not a luxury. If they failed to include this basic feature most likely they encountered a technical limitation that stopped them from doing so. If I recall correctly, Crown3DS was abandoned because the team encountered a technical issue which they couldn't solve. And who knows, maybe the Crown3DS card has all the features (or missing features) of Gateway but the team refused to release an incomplete card.

Crown didn't show MicroSD usage, only cloning data internally which is why it only ran one game per cart, like the Ace3DS Pro or whatever.

Perhaps gateway is a huge scam.

Which is why GBATemp and other sites are being sent free units to review publicly. That's totally what scammers do, right? Give some units away for free to some of the most popular review sites so that the sites can point out how it doesn't actually work and is a scam and not to buy it, which works in Gateway's favor because it stops people from buy-

Wait what.

 

[WiiUBricker]

Crown didn't show MicroSD usage, only cloning data internally which is why it only ran one game per cart, like the Ace3DS Pro or whatever.

Which is why GBATemp and other sites are being sent free units to review publicly. That's totally what scammers do, right? Give some units away for free to some of the most popular review sites so that the sites can point out how it doesn't actually work and is a scam and not to buy it, which works in Gateway's favor because it stops people from buy-

Wait what.

Scam in the sense of an incomplete card and empty promises. No use in a card that can't even save.

 

[Rydian]

Scam in the sense of an incomplete card and empty promises. No use in a card that can't even save.

Incomplete by the inflated standards of today's kids, sure. Look at flash carts for anything other than the DS.

And empty promises like what? Do you mean "I want it to have this feature and if it doesn't they're liars"?

If it does what it's advertised to do and is a functional product, it's not a scam.

You gamers really need to stop mixing up "personal disappointment" with "scam"...

 

[WiiUBricker]

Incomplete by the inflated standards of today's kids, sure. Look at flash carts for anything other than the DS.

And empty promises like what? Do you mean "I want it to have this feature and if it doesn't they're liars"?

If it does what it's advertised to do and is a functional product, it's not a scam.

You gamers really need to stop mixing up "personal disappointment" with "scam"...

Do you know why companies promises future things? To make them buy the product. People buy the product with the expectations of future features being added. If none of the features being added of course people feel like if they have been scammed.

I have edited the faq of Gateway. Do you think people would buy the product with this faq?

 

[Rydian]

I have edited the faq of Gateway. Do you think people would buy the product with this faq?

Stop avoiding the question.

And empty promises like what?

What have they promised and/or advertised that you do not believe will be delivered?

 

[Thulinma]

Yes. It's entirely possible to use a hardware switch of some sort to change the "active" game - you won't even need separate partitions if the microcontroller in the card is smart enough. It's even technically possible to store the savegames on the same SD card as roms. None of these are incredibly hard once you have the base card operational, but they do take time to get right.

I don't expect any of this to be part of a flashcard anytime soon. Adding a feature like this would mean delaying the release date of the flashcard by months, at the very least. Most likely a different brand of flash card will be released a few months after this one - possibly by another company - providing some of these features.

Once somebody has a proof of concept out (which is what I consider the Gateway 3DS to be), more mature products usually surface not very long afterwards.

 

[WiiUBricker]

Stop avoiding the question.


What have they promised and/or advertised that you do not believe will be delivered?

- They avoided the question whether save games will work. Instead they promised to look into it.
- Play games from other regions. They claimed due to popular demand (where does this demand came from btw?) they are looking into supporting games from foreign regions.

Yes. It's entirely possible to use a hardware switch of some sort...

Gateway does not have a hardware switch.

 

[Thulinma]

Gateway does not have a hardware switch.

You misunderstood my post - I was just pointing out it would be technically possible to add a hardware switch like that, but I don't think they will since it would mean a few months extra development time. A later card will probably have a solution like this, since a hardware switch would be much simpler to implement than trying to break Nintendo's software signing process.

 

[Rydian]

- They avoided the question whether save games will work. Instead they promised to look into it.
- Play games from other regions. They claimed due to popular demand (where does this demand came from btw?) they are looking into supporting games from foreign regions.

That's not a scam, that's users seeing any pertinent info, thinking it means more than it does, getting hyped, and then disappointed.

Meaning gamers as usual, 24/7.

 

[Saturosias]

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Every single thread I see you post in, it's always pure bullshit and you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Region-changed Korean Wiis were not supported by the firmware update and thus, Nintendo would not look into fixing problems for people who broke their TOS. If you think the purpose of the update was solely to "brick people", you're a moron.

Gateway isn't a custom firmware -- firmware updates can block the card, but in no way can a bug affect users with a flashcart while not affecting the entire rest of the population. All Nintendo can do is ban you from their online services -- it is illegal to brick someone else's hardware intentionally [without consent].

... and the team said they would look into it, what part of that is guaranteeing you extended functions? They flat out tell you in their FAQ what the card can and can not do [at release]. You're hoping for some magical Supercard DS3 from these guys, with 100% Nintendo-proof updates and multiple saves on the MicroSD[HC] and a whole bunch of other crap that they never promised in the first place. This is nothing like the Cyclo iEvo.

Honestly, the way you skit around the enormous flaws in your arguments is just pathetic -- you can't let go when you're wrong.

 

[WiiUBricker]

Every single thread I see you post in, it's always pure bullshit and you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. Region-changed Korean Wiis were not supported by the firmware update and thus, Nintendo would not look into fixing problems for people who broke their TOS. If you think the purpose of the update was solely to "brick people", you're a moron.

Gateway isn't a custom firmware -- firmware updates can block the card, but in no way can a bug affect users with a flashcart while not affecting the entire rest of the population. All Nintendo can do is ban you from their online services -- it is illegal to brick someone else's hardware intentionally [without consent].

... and the team said they would look into it, what part of that is guaranteeing you extended functions? They flat out tell you in their FAQ what the card can and can not do [at release]. You're hoping for some magical Supercard DS3 from these guys, with 100% Nintendo-proof updates and multiple saves on the MicroSD[HC] and a whole bunch of other crap that they never promised in the first place. This is nothing like the Cyclo iEvo.

Honestly, the way you skit around the enormous flaws in your arguments is just pathetic -- you can't let go when you're wrong.

So basically you are telling that

- The people who hacked the Wii are morons
- A piece of hardware is not a software
- All countries have the same laws
- You can't read properly

Congratz, you have just earned a new trophy: GBAtemp's delusional, clueless troll

 

[Saturosias]

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*sigh* if you're going to keep repeating the same crap, this'll just be my last post in this useless thread:

1) The 'people who hacked the Wii' (which is not you, you can hardly even speak for them) are not 'morons', what Nintendo did was not illegal but simply releasing a firmware that was not supported by third-party modifications -- the Gateway doesn't modify anything on the 3DS's OS.
2) What the hell? You basically just showed that you possess NO knowledge of the difference between hardware and software -- there's over 8 layers of foundation between the two communicating. You really are clueless!
3) Erm, nearly every developed country I've heard of has the law that you can not destroy somebody else's property or render it unusable, and Terms of Service are generally applicable universally excluding Africa and China... I don't think you live in either, hm?
4) You claim I "can't read" when you simply state the same sentences over and over again, demonstrating a small vocabulary and the inability to provide backup for your horrid, wanna-be-expert assumptions.

 

[McHaggis]

Gateway does not have a hardware switch.

It could have had one, there's no limitation preventing the inclusion of one, and I think that is the point people were trying to make in this thread and the last.

I don't blame the Gateway team for wanting to shove their card out of the door as quickly as possible. For all any of us know, they could have spent countless hours since the 3DS launch trying to get their flash card working, and they need to recuperate those losses somehow by launching the first 3DS flash card. But, at the end of the day, the card is clearly incomplete in terms of game selection an save backups. You can't say they've tried implementing the standard features of all flash cards because there's no real evidence of that. I can't say they haven't tried, but I can say that, in my honest opinion and experience, the product seems rushed and using DS mode homebrew as a game selector and save backup tool is definitely a possibility if they were willing to put in the extra time to release a more solid flashcard to the general public. I'd gladly draw you a diagram if you need help understanding what I mean.

All that being said, I think this topic has been debated out in another thread and probably doesn't need to be continued here. You should just agree that you disagree, WiiUBricker, as I think you're slightly outnumbered on this one (if the other thread was anything to go by).

 

[porkiewpyne]

- Play games from other regions. They claimed due to popular demand (where does this demand came from btw?) they are looking into supporting games from foreign regions.

Thing is, they never advertised their product to do such a thing. If you made the wrong inference, it's your fault. And just because they are looking into it doesn't mean that their efforts will be fruitful. Whether or not they are actually doing shit or sitting in front of their computers watching porn or whatever is irrelevant. They should be given the benefit of the doubt. Unless of course, you have proof that they aren't doing as they claim. Burden of proof is on you.

So basically you are telling that
- A piece of hardware is not a software

Congratz, you have just earned a new trophy: GBAtemp's delusional, clueless troll

When other guy points out your flaws, call them delusional clueless trolls. Right. Gotcha. No need to be so butthurt, man.

 

[WiiUBricker]

1) The 'people who hacked the Wii' (which is not you, you can hardly even speak for them) are not 'morons', what Nintendo did was not illegal but simply releasing a firmware that was not supported by third-party modifications -- the Gateway doesn't modify anything on the 3DS's OS.

It's not me who called them morons. You did. And now you re making excuses.

2) What the hell? You basically just showed that you possess NO knowledge of the difference between hardware and software -- there's over 8 layers of foundation between the two communicating. You really are clueless!

Huh? Wasn't it you that made the educated claim that hardware is not software? Are you actually telling me that hardware is software now?

3) Erm, nearly every developed country I've heard of has the law that you can not destroy somebody else's property or render it unusable, and Terms of Service are generally applicable universally excluding Africa and China... I don't think you live in either, hm?

Well, you didn't specify a country when making the claim, so natuarlly people think you meant all countries. ANd by the way, I'm really impressed that you possesses knowledge off the laws of "nearly every developed country". You must be a lawyer without a doubt.

4) You claim I "can't read" when you simply state the same sentences over and over again, demonstrating a small vocabulary and the inability to provide backup for your horrid, wanna-be-expert assumptions.

The difference is that even though I may have or haven't stated basically same sentences, they are not based on misreads or misinterpretations of other people's claims. Really, the only one I see here with "wanna-be-expert" assumptions is you.

 

[WiiUBricker]

Thing is, they never advertised their product to do such a thing. If you made the wrong inference, it's your fault.

I didn't claim they advertised it. Please if you are not willing to put much effort into understanding other people's basic posts, just don't post.

 

[Rydian]

- The people who hacked the Wii are morons

Being wrong does not mean you're a moron. The people who hacked the Wii know a fuckton more than the average user, but they are not gods. They're humans. They jumped to conclusions with the 003 issue. More info has come to light since they stated what they did.

- A piece of hardware is not a software

This is correct. There's often multiple layers of translation between the two.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
There's one example, seven layers just for networking. Layer 7 is the application layer (basically the homebrew), while layer 1 is the physical layer. The other layers get more and more abstracted from the hardware as you go up.

- All countries have the same laws

Only one act was being discussed, Mr. blanket statements.

Remotely bricking a game console is about as legal as Microsoft or Dell remotely bricking your PC. That shit would never fly. Consoles are not special magical machines, they're personal computing devices that happen to have a pre-locked OS.

 

[WiiUBricker]

Being wrong does not mean you're a moron. The people who hacked the Wii know a fuckton more than the average user, but they are not gods. They're humans. They jumped to conclusions with the 003 issue. More info has come to light since they stated what they did.

Well, I wasn't the one who brought the word "moron" up. The dude above claimed if people think Nintendo bricked those Wiis on purpose (which some of those respected Wii devs claim) they are morons. So yeah, he basically said they are morons.

Remotely bricking a game console is about as legal as Microsoft or Dell remotely bricking your PC. That shit would never fly. Consoles are not special magical machines, they're personal computing devices that happen to have a pre-locked OS.

I couldn't care less if it's legal or not. Just because it may not be legal doesn't mean that those Wii devs didn't make the claim that Nintendo bricked region changed korean Wiis on purpose.

 

[Queno138]

WiiUBricker, Stahp, just Stahp.

If you got a point to make, kindly cite actual sources of information, rather than your words by themselves.
I think our fellow tempers hit the last nail in the coffin, so can we get on with the original topic, rather than all this banter?

If you really must discuss this, have your own PM sessions on educating each other.
I feel the fact that everyone is telling you that you are clearly misinformed, is a big sign to move on.

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Now on topic:

From what I've read from GBAtemp so far, they are already rolling out production right?
I think as of now they most likely will not add the switch,

But what's to say they won't look into it for the next version (most likely new hardware, so need to re-purchase imo)

Can't wait for reviews