1. ZAFDeltaForce

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    The wait will be unfortunately excruciating.

    I wonder what new found knowledge we will receive from the vast reaches of space?
     
  2. The Milkman

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    Ahh, that was a bit of ignorance on my part, I thought the telescope was flying through space.

    But, while we know one day its going to end and all why bother to delay it? Why not make sure we have the best run possible, and make sure that even when we go out, we go out as a happy people. Otherwise, what lesson was learned from this world? Even if we step on a new Earth, what have we learned from the other one? If we turn this into a smoking greehouse CO² filled rock then we leave. What keeps us from just being as careless next tike and then when we see it go to hell, abandon it. Fix the problems here, when its totally hopeless thenlets start focusing on escape plans.,
     
  3. ComplicatioN

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    Next thing you know, ZAP!
     
  4. gifi4

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    If you ever want to know what will happen in your lifetime, then yes, it most certainly needs to be rushed. Think about it, scientists working on discovering "the second Earth" and they don't get to see it in their lifetime.
     
  5. Charon

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    Ive loved everything space related since I was a kid.

    Quite some time ago, I figured modern astronomy is full of shit.
    Or rather, its stuck in models from a century ago which are tweaked in any way they need to be, in order to make the equations fit the new observation.

    Through that it has come so far that, every other object is considered a black hole, the universe is made of like 10 times as much Dark matter than normal matter, and then those together are just a fraction of what the universe is supposedly made off, mostly Dark energy.

    All of that is necessary to explain things like the shape of spiral galaxies, or enormous x-ray sources, etc.

    Anywhere you look, there is something off.

    Take the sun for example. Its our star. Since its one of many billions in our galaxy, it would be great if we understood it, since that would help understanding the rest. Understanding the sun is crucial by all means.
    The accepted model is that it is a self sustaining nuclear furnace. Because of its mass, its gravity is so strong in the center, that it fuses hydrogen and creates helium, resulting in lots of energy.

    Alright. If it wasnt for measurements that this model doesnt predict or explain.
    Like the temperature.
    The suns surface is ~6000K.
    If you move away from it, into the corona, say 5000km, the temperature drastically rises to 2 000 000 K.
    In other words, in some sci-fi movie, when you'd see a spaceship near the sun and suddenly the lolwut-shields start to crap, the captain should go "lets get closer to the sun or we will get fried!"

    Why is there a corona in the first place?

    If the sun is fusing hydrogen because of its immense gravity, why is its density so low?

    Why are there sun spots?
    Why are they, the deepest regions, the coldest parts of the surface and darker than the rest?
    You'd expect bright and hot when its the closest it gets to seeing inside the sun.

    And more on-topic, the solar wind.
    How the hell does it accelerate as it goes away from the sun? And why does it then suddenly slow down and start going sideways at the points the Voyagers are at?

    What are the official explanations for all these things? Usually you'll get an answer involving some nasty magnetic fields. But that is another major flaw.
    There is 2 things that cause magnetic fields, permanent magnets, and electric currents.
    But since there has been the basic assumption for a century that electricity does not exist in space, all the magnetic fields are explained away through stuff like dynamos in the cores of objects.

    It doesn't stop at the sun.
    Why does Saturn emit 2 times as much energy as it recieves from the sun? It even shines in x-ray. Walks in mere spacesuits in its environment wouldn't be a good idea.

    Don't get me started on comets.


    So what's my point? That researching the universe sucks? On the contrary. There is so much to figure out and explain, it's just that we stagnate in complex mathematics instead of reconsidering fundamental assumptions in the face of huge anomalies everywhere. The current approach is flawed.
    This topic is more interesting than ever before.

    How can this be? It always money. You start talking about any of this as a professional, you are threatening decades of research, millions of jobs, and any funding you might have.
    Take Halton Arp for example. He was simply looking at redshift of different objects, and noticed that it goes all over the place. In other words, instead of a simple, further away-higher redshift, there is many high redshift objects in front of low red shift ones, or galaxies with a visible connecting stream of stars that should be far apart. Meaning something might be causing inherent redshift for each object, which would in turn mean that the universe might not be expanding. Since it flies in the face of the big bang, he was warned to stop his research and got fucked.



    The single most fundamental thing that is ignored, is the fact that the universe is made of plasma. Plasma means charged particles. It is highly conductive. Once you understand that, a lot of things fall in place without the need for any "dark stuff" and black holes whatsoever.
    The shape of spiral galaxies? Its a homopolar motor.

    Heres an interesting thought,
    if the universe is 97% made of matter we cannot directly detect or measure, then why study the real thing in the first place?

    Personally, I think there will soon come a point, when it will become so obvious, that no one will be able to deny it anymore and the whole thing will flip over on its own.
    I wonder if anyone here finds this interesting :B
     
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  6. shlong

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    If any other species from other planets ever learns of us, then it'll be because they did what we didn't (if we do as you say and just keep the planet going) and left their home planet.
    The whole point is that even if we fix all the things going wrong right now, at some point it will all be for nothing as we either freeze or die from insane amounts of radiation. or explode
    Scientists are trying to solve the problems you think are more important, and at the same time they're trying to save the 'us' in several billion years time. That is a better lesson that as well as merely fixing our pollution problems, we tried to save not ourselves but the inhabitants of our planet that we will never know.

    also
    @[member='Charon']
    In my opinion most of the problems we have with not being able to understand the universe is that we're assuming that the physical models (as in physics) that we take as true right now are still full of holes, where science has to create things to explain why its numbers are a little faulty.
    But that's just what I think, I don't do astrophysics so I can't claim to be right, but if we had different models then maybe we'd be able to find out what those black spots are.
    I mean is Einsteinian physics universal? Probably not, I guess we'll find out after Voyager's left the solar system
     
  7. Gahars

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    @Zantigo

    Studying space gives us a better understanding of ourselves and the universe we inhabit. Just one example, but when you realize the size and scope of the entire universe, it's easier to put our petty squabbles into perspective. Plus, consider how many technological advances we've achieved through the space program; if we just turned away from the stars, we never would have invented so many items that have benefited us greatly (like microwave ovens and cell phones).

    We're not perfect, unfortunately, so we're always going to have problems. We can work on minimizing them as much as possible, but we won't eliminate them through sheer focus alone. At least the options of space colonization give us more time to become a little bit better.
     
  8. DinohScene

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    How long has Voyager been in space?
    30-40 years?

    We've gained alot of knowledge from it.
    This is a major accomplishment!
    Well done humanity
     
  9. VashTS

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    so they made this vehicle in the 70s, took them about 10 years +/- to build and this thing lasts for 35+ years. yet microsoft makes an xbox that overheats and dies after long sessions of gaming.

    gotta be ancient aliens. the people back in the 70s had contact.
     
  10. The Milkman

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    Well, I see you and shlongs point, and while I'm not saying we should abandon the space program, I do say that the resources that go into launching Billion dollar probes could be going into much better things.
     
  11. Bent

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    I couldn't disagree more.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA

    Check out the percentage of the federal budget that NASA gets. It is crazy we are spending so little, actually.
     
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    I'm not refering only to NASA. I'm saying in general it costs a lot to fire shit into space.
     
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    For mankind exploring the cosmos it's the same for fish exploring the sky. We are merely fish in the eyes of higher entities out there :creep:
     
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    This is epic, there aren't a lot of things that interest and fascinate me more than this. Wow! Thank you for the news update.
     
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    Again, the costs are a lot lower than you would expect AND the benefits we reap from them far outweigh the costs. The space program is a long term investment with a significant, worthwhile return; to abandon it would only hurt us.
     
  16. Rydian

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    Who else then?
     
  17. shlong

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    Don't forget all the super important 'peace keeping' missions that drain most of the US's money.
    Emphasis on super important.
     
  18. Rydian

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    I'm referring to space...
     
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  20. The Milkman

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    Hmm well, I suppose you know more on the subject then me :P
     
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