Hacking Gateway update regarding rumors

[gamesquest1]

so gateway isn't bricking 3ds systems?

If you use the official launcher file from gateway it's perfectly fine. The clones took this firmware and just botched it to detect their card, if you use their botched version of the gateway launcher....you will very much end up with a brick

 

[stomp_442]

Actually, that post was made in November and talks about how the clone cards will brick and fail because they are made of cheap Chinese components and have a different design than GW's official cards. Also, this was before GW released the first firmware where the bricking code was found.

That post was about the 2.0 firmware almost have the beta testing completed. I just find it odd that they mention the clone cart will brick because the gateway software was not designed for it. I would think that the gateway team meant to say launcher instead of software. Gateway team said to use 1.2 stable firmware to be safe from bricks, are you sure the 2.0b1 firmware didn't have the brick code in it?

 

[kyogre123]

Considering that the official GW launcher.dat has to be modified (either by clone makers or even legitimate GW users who used the region-free hex patch on the official GW launchet.dat) to cause the bricking, using a virgin/untaouched GW launcher.dat with a clone card will just cause the clone card to throw up an error and freeze your system until you hold the power button to restart.

No, it just won't read the flashcard as it is a clone.

 

[aXXo]

If you use the official launcher file from gateway it's perfectly fine. The clones took this firmware and just botched it to detect their card, if you use their botched version of the gateway launcher....you will very much end up with a brick

Also, if you modify the original GW launcher.dat with Normmatt's hex patches, then that will also result in a brick even if you use a Gateway card and not any clones.

 

[Huntereb]

so gateway isn't bricking 3ds systems?

They are. Isn't that the kind of company you want to give your money to? A company that makes false promises and doesn't alert their users of this kind of stuff until it's too late? I wonder how many people used the region-free mod and got fucked.

 

[crazyace2011]

that is why I don't mess with anything I don't understand I just use it as it is given to me.

 

[aXXo]

No, it just won't read the flashcard as it is a clone.

Well that's not the experience that I got, although I only tried it once just to see what happens, and it was with the MT launcher.dat file.

 

[kyogre123]

They are. Isn't that the kind of company you want to give your money to? A company that makes false promises and doesn't alert their users of this kind of stuff until it's too late? I wonder how many people used the region-free mod and got fucked.

Your hate to the Gateway team is ridiculous. In the case of the region free patch, the person who created it and released it is to blame in this case. While other hackers are doing their own code, this person just patched GW's launcher and released it, and now 24 hours ago he posted that he has knowledge of the bricking code. I'm glad I didn't tested that launcher in my 3DS.

Well that's not the experience that I got, although I only tried it once just to see what happens, and it was with the MT launcher.dat file.

The issue is only with the launcher files, it has nothing to do with the cart you are using, literally nothing.

 

[gamesquest1]

They are. Isn't that the kind of company you want to give your money to? A company that makes false promises and doesn't alert their users of this kind of stuff until it's too late? I wonder how many people used the region-free mod and got fucked.

Also, if you modify the original GW launcher.dat with Normmatt's hex patches, then that will also result in a brick even if you use a Gateway card and not any clones.

In both cases this is NOT the official gateway launcher, they didn't release the mod, and as I have read normmatt was aware of the bricking code but still released the firmware without warning people......seems a bit irresponsible if you ask me...gateway actually clarified the situation and warned people not to use any modded files, which is more than any other group/clones/hackers did

 

[Cybore]

The thing

While I think it's harsh and should have just been something like randomly not loading roms etc, when the clones first appeared and people complained, the general feeling from the clone supporters, seemed to be, it's all piracy, everything is fair game, so no problem with R4 taking Gateway's work. So I guess, it's fair game.

It's an easy fix for R4 though. Just deliver on that "original work" they were suppose to do and there will be no more bricks .

GW might've seen this as an opportunity to do lasting damage to the competition. If they had just made it so stuff didn't load, the competition probably would've looked into it eventually, fixed it, and things would've returned to the status quo. They may have though they wouldn't get another chance to hurt their competitors, as their competition would likely be more through with their testing in the future as to prevent something like this from happening again.

As it stands, gateway makes the competition look like incompetent developers who release dangerous, defective and untested products. Sure gateway may look like the bad guy in front of many who are aware of what is happening on the "scene," but for many casuals who just go out and buy the products and are not up to date with what's happening, the fault lies with their cart manufacturer.

Not sure why I see more people pissed at gateway than the competition for failing to test their work prior to release. In their desperation to keep up to date with gateway they release stuff without any regard as to the effect of their user base.

 

[gamesquest1]

Exactly........no matter how you look at it, the clones should of prevented it

It's not gateways job to make a easy to clone firmware

 

[Huntereb]

Your hate to the Gateway team is ridiculous.

It's far from ridiculous, the hate I currently have is justified.

I'm gonna leave it at that talking to you, it's just gonna start another circle-jerk.

It's not gateways job to make a easy to clone firmware

This I agree with, to a degree.

 

[kyogre123]

It's far from ridiculous, the hate I currently have is justified.

I'm gonna leave it at that talking to you, it's just gonna start another circle-jerk.

If you have a bricked 3DS, blame R4i; if not, then is not justified at all.

 

[Tomobobo]

What I don't understand is why the post on the front page has a Gateway image at the top or references this topic about gateway when the actual bricking has nothing to do with Gateway.

The post on the front page also gives misleading information that has been changed and updated to reflect the current facts, but only somewhat.

For example it says:

It is accepted that the only time a brick will occur is in the scenario such that a user is mixing files around from different cartridges.

Well, from my understanding, if you're using 3dslink firmware on a 3dslink, your 3ds will brick, so it has nothing to do with any users mixing up files. Just that 3dslink is bricking 3ds's. From what I understand the same can be said for the R4i cart.

So before priding yourself on GBAtemp warning everyone, you might want to put a warning on the front page about the clone carts being responsable for bricks. If they were using their own software and bricked, you wouldn't be talking about gateway at all. But these teams obviously stole material, re-used it, and this is the real threat to users.

 

[tHciNc]

Its amazing how many times this has gone in circles, and aimed towards Gateway, when if the clones didnt exist, this convo wouldnt even be happening, What do people even expect from inferior products, piggy backing others legitimate work for a quick profit, shortcuts are always taken, we warned from the start about clones, but people loved saving the few dollars and loved saying how great R4i/3dslink are with support/products etc, imagine if you listened to the "Gateway Fanboys" now
# Gateway coded their launcher specifically for their card, hence any modifications to the launcher in any way is not advised (Said from the Start)
# No Gateway users have been bricked using an unmodified launcher (Common Sense really)
# Any launcher with disabled Sanity checks has a possiblility of Bricking your Unit (More common Sense)
# Brick Occurs exiting settings from EmuNAND, its not specific to the actions inside settings (Opps, did i really need to check settings for the 100th time??)
# Brick occurs as end result is a EMMC Controller setting a size of 0 bytes, So exiting settings falls back to what it thinks is a blank RealNAND (BSOD). (Memories of Windows Millenium, all it did was BSOD)
# Hardware MOD to fix is not possible, you dont have enough room in the 0 bytes for the 900+meg NAND image (Sometimes, taking a dump just isnt enough!!)

 

[stomp_442]

So before priding yourself on GBAtemp warning everyone, you might want to put a warning on the front page about the clone carts being responsable for bricks. If they were using their own software and bricked, you wouldn't be talking about gateway at all. But these teams obviously stole material, re-used it, and this is the real threat to users.

well said.

 

[juins]

Guys, what i dont understand is, is the risk of bricking your 3ds only by using emunand? or does it happen even without it? anyone '

 

[Huntereb]

What I don't understand is why the post on the front page has a Gateway image at the top or references this topic about gateway when the actual bricking has nothing to do with Gateway.

It does though, they're the reason the bricks occured in the first place.

And people thinking I'm mad because they think my system is bricked, it's not. I've been using the DS Flashcard for the past week. If I want to play a pirated 3DS game, I can either open up my Gateway and use their current firmware and risk bricking my system, or use my already opened R4 with an older firmware. The latter sounds more appealing at the moment.

 

[Saturosias]

It's far from ridiculous, the hate I currently have is justified.

They are. Isn't that the kind of company you want to give your money to? A company that makes false promises and doesn't alert their users of this kind of stuff until it's too late?

What false promises did Gateway make to users of clone cards, exactly? Did they state that modified versions of their launchers were safe to use? And "their (Gateway's) users" who actually use the official software are literally unaffected by this issue, a corrupt launcher does NOT trigger the bricking sequence, so the fault lies entirely with R4i for literally just pasting their name over everything willy-nilly and trying to cash a cheap buck.
Being unable to afford/obtain a Gateway (go ahead and claim you have one) is not "justification" for your supposed rationale.

 

[Huntereb]

What false promises did Gateway make to users of clone cards, exactly?

They didn't, but I'm a customer of theirs too (sorta ).