Hacking DSiWare backups on 3DS?

[Deleted member 282441]

So what was that DSi mode flashcart? only iEvo?

 

[CollosalPokemon]

So what was that DSi mode flashcart? only iEvo?

Yes, but support died just about a year ago. (I think it's been 11 months since the last update?)

 

[Janthran]

Yes if you have a DSiware flashcart you can play and dump DSiware

 

[rayword45]

Yes if you have a DSiware flashcart you can play and dump DSiware

The problem with this is that such a thing doesn't exist.

The iEvo never supported DSiWare ROMs.

 

[Foxi4]

While DSiWare are indeed native DSi applications, they are somewhat different than games on cartridges. First and foremost, they're signed for the console they were downloaded for - quite an obstacle. Secondly, they're not ROM's at all. Lastly, I don't think they come in a single binary.

You won't be able to run them at all before the signing method is decrypter and/or the firmware is hacked, and since everybody's so interested in DSi hacking, I think you'll sooner see those running on the 3DS than on the console they were designed for.

 

[elgarta]

Side note: I'm a little bemused at how the word 'backup' is still used as a legality shield, even for digital products that allow you to freely back up and restore the data. Does anyone else think it sad that the word has become synonymous with 'pirate copy'?

This. At the end of the day, if you do have a physical copy of the original you should be free to back it up. Not to back it up and give it to other people freely to encourage piracy, but to have another copy incase yours one gets damaged. I personally use images of my old PS1/PS2 discs because I know that if I break them now, it will be harder to find another copy if I needed to.

Doesn't mean I don't pirate, but I have a pretty even split of legit backups and not so legit backups. I see/know the difference, so I don't judge

Anyway, Are there even any good DSi ware titles that are actually worth the effort in the first place? The only one that looked good to me was Oregon Trail, but I picked up the 3DS copy when I was in the states. Otherwise, none of them at all look overly interesting..

 

[Foxi4]

Side note: I'm a little bemused at how the word 'backup' is still used as a legality shield, even for digital products that allow you to freely back up and restore the data. Does anyone else think it sad that the word has become synonymous with 'pirate copy'?

This. At the end of the day, if you do have a physical copy of the original you should be free to back it up. Not to back it up and give it to other people freely to encourage piracy, but to have another copy incase yours one gets damaged. I personally use images of my old PS1/PS2 discs because I know that if I break them now, it will be harder to find another copy if I needed to.

Doesn't mean I don't pirate, but I have a pretty even split of legit backups and not so legit backups. I see/know the difference, so I don't judge

Except Nintendo WFC won't be around forever - eventually the network will *die* like many before it, it will be replaced by a better, far superior one that will no longer support petty DSiWare of the past. The word "backup" is apt - it's used in reference to archiving software for future use.

I'm not even touching the tip of the iceberg here - what about the titles which get pulled *off* of the Network? They become immediately unavailable and you will *not* be refunded for them. An example of this could be the case of DSiWare-Exploitable titles.

If someone chooses to use illegal backups, that's his business, but don't misinterpret the term. Digital or physical medium, the user has a full right to store backups of his legally purchased software however he/she wants.

 

[rayword45]

Anyway, Are there even any good DSiWare titles that are actually worth the effort in the first place? The only one that looked good to me was Oregon Trail, but I picked up the 3DS copy when I was in the states. Otherwise, none of them at all look overly interesting..

This notion irritates me quite often. I own quite a few DSiWare games and people seem to ignore that there ARE quite a few good ones weeded in with the terrible ones (just like the App Store).
If anything though, when I think about it, I'd rather see people buy these games since they are so very obscure.

X-Scape (Absolutely fantastic)
Shantae: Risky's Revenge (there is an iPhone version for much cheaper however)
Mighty Flip Champs
99Bullets
Dark Void Zero
AlphaBounce (some find it a bit dry)
Flipper and Flipper 2

I could list many more, but let's not get off-topic.

 

[elgarta]

Except Nintendo WFC won't be around forever - eventually the network will *die* like many before it, it will be replaced by a better, far superior one that will no longer support petty DSiWare of the past. The word "backup" is apt - it's used in reference to archiving software for future use.

I'm not even touching the tip of the iceberg here - what about the titles which get pulled *off* of the Network? They become immediately unavailable and you will *not* be refunded for them like in the case of DSiWare-Exploitable titles.

If someone chooses to use illegal backups, that's his business, but don't misinterpret the term. Digital or physical medium, the user has a full right to store backups of his legally purchased software however he/she wants.

I completely agree with this, if my post seemed like I was going in the other direction I apologise .

One of the more interesting opinions that I have heard on this issue was pretty much stating that:

When we own the physical medium, you actually hold a 'license' for that copy you poses which give you the right to make backups and store them however-wherever they want. When the person has a digital downloaded copy (PSN) you are essentially given a more limited license since you don't possess an actual copy of the medium, which makes legal backups questionable. The person also stated that this is one reason that there is more of a push for digital distribution, to remove the question of legal backups altogether and to take that control away from the end user.

That is my basic recap of it, but the point isn't mine so I won't be fighting to back it up (ha) at all. Also I think it may seem a bit extreme of an opinion, especially when it basically says that the end goal is to take away someones rights to backup a copy of their software, but I still find it to be interesting. And of course, that doesn't touch the tip of the issue either. Titles that get pulled from the service? The entire download service being shut down? I don't think that is a discussion I'd want to get into before my day has really begun lol.

This notion irritates me quite often. I own quite a few DSiWare games and people seem to ignore that there ARE quite a few good ones weeded in with the terrible ones (just like the App Store).

I apologise, I probably should've worded that better . Man I am on a roll this morning. Anyway, it was meant as a proper question as to whether there were any titles that were worth the amounts of trouble that backing it up on a 3DS would likely take. Oregon trail DSiware couldn't be copied onto the 3DS so that is why I bought the cart. I imagine that isn't the only one that wouldn't backup natively, so the work that would take would take seems like alot.

 

[Janthran]

Yes if you have a DSiware flashcart you can play and dump DSiware

The problem with this is that such a thing doesn't exist.

The iEvo never supported DSiWare ROMs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk

 

[McHaggis]

Except Nintendo WFC won't be around forever - eventually the network will *die* like many before it, it will be replaced by a better, far superior one that will no longer support petty DSiWare of the past. The word "backup" is apt - it's used in reference to archiving software for future use.

I'm not even touching the tip of the iceberg here - what about the titles which get pulled *off* of the Network? They become immediately unavailable and you will *not* be refunded for them. An example of this could be the case of DSiWare-Exploitable titles.

If someone chooses to use illegal backups, that's his business, but don't misinterpret the term. Digital or physical medium, the user has a full right to store backups of his legally purchased software however he/she wants.

The term "backup" is defined as a copy of data for use in the case where the original is lost or damaged. The term doesn't apply if the data is copied for any other reason―even if a user backs up his own copy and then makes the data available online, the subsequent copies downloaded/created by other users are not backups (illegal or otherwise). My point was more that we should man up and call things what they are instead of hiding behind terms that make it sound more legitimate. Unless you're looking to play non-transferable DSiWare that you purchased and backed up (something I didn't sense in the OP), the term is "copy" or "illegal copy".

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for or against piracy (or backups, for that matter). I have some illegal copies of software, as well as many backups. I, for one, would like to see copies of DSiWare playable on other machines. I'm just that kind of person, I own many legitimate games but I'm also a pirate.

 

[Foxi4]

Backing up is archiving, archiving is backing up. Creating a copy of the original and keeping it safe in case the original fails at one point is what I call archiving (or at the very least safekeeping of some sort), what's illegal is, as you mentioned, redistributing those copies without the license allowing you to do so (free redistributable-like licenses etc.). As far as platforms are concerned, I don't think anyone should have a say about the platform on which you use the software - it's your software. What matters is that you can only use it on one platform at a time unless the license states otherwise.