Homebrew DSi Homebrew Channel (IDEA)

[Deleted User]

I would just like to say that unless you know most of the following: C/C++, ARM ASM, how to reverse engineer, how to use a dissassembler, how different pieces of hardware work with each other, YOU (probably) HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

 

[Kioku]

Obviously, but what are you going to do? There probably will NEVER be any progress on this project as there hasn't been any for weeks. This thread along with half of the people in it, is just stupid...

 

[darkriku2000]

then again if anyone can hack the DSi it's them... Imagine if they'd work together (OK, not going to happen but that would be awesome if it did)

Why wouldn't they, it's not like they're rival companies or something

Language Barrier. Do we know if Loopy knows Japanese?

I'm pretty sure Yasu knows some English

 

[houseonfire]

This topic being open gives people hope that something like a homebrew channel will come out for the DSi.
Close it, and people will think it s never coming.

 

[gera734]

hey.. im new in all this... and i do not know about programing but i have a tough last night .... maybe instead of making a "homebrew chanel" you should make something like a shortcut {in a dsi ware} to the "moonshell" the system in the flash cards for DS so we just need to download monshell to our SD card and use Moonshell to play games and videos and all that stuff i mean that would be easer?don´t it?

 

[RiderLeangle]

hey.. im new in all this... and i do not know about programing but i have a tough last night .... maybe instead of making a "homebrew chanel" you should make something like a shortcut {in a dsi ware} to the "moonshell" the system in the flash cards for DS so we just need to download monshell to our SD card and use Moonshell to play games and videos and all that stuff i mean that would be easer?don´t it?

Moonshell is DS homebrew, not DSi homebrew, I.E it works in DS mode and not DSi mode. It'd be no help in being a homebrew channel really. And that still wouldn't mean the DSi would be hacked.

 

[darkriku2000]

hey.. im new in all this... and i do not know about programing but i have a tough last night .... maybe instead of making a "homebrew chanel" you should make something like a shortcut {in a dsi ware} to the "moonshell" the system in the flash cards for DS so we just need to download monshell to our SD card and use Moonshell to play games and videos and all that stuff i mean that would be easer?don´t it?

Swing and a miss

 

[houseonfire]

hey.. im new in all this... and i do not know about programing but i have a tough last night .... maybe instead of making a "homebrew chanel" you should make something like a shortcut {in a dsi ware} to the "moonshell" the system in the flash cards for DS so we just need to download monshell to our SD card and use Moonshell to play games and videos and all that stuff i mean that would be easer?don´t it?

Swing and a miss

It really isn't a bad idea.
Instead of creating a channel, just a forwarder to a homebrew booter.
It might be just as hard to do that though.


Has anyone been able to extract or decrypt or whatever the channels yet?

 

[RiderLeangle]

Well it's a good idea, although that wouldn't be hacking the DSi to it's fullest potential though.

EDIT: You'd also need to reprogram it a bit so moonshell reads the SD card and not the flashcart

 

[houseonfire]

I wish that if someone was working on it they would report their progress.
A little info would be nice so maybe some other people can help out... move it along a little faster maybe.

 

[koji2009]

To encrypt/decrypt a wiiware channel you'd need to have a way of dumping your system's private key (not the same as the public key) and the only way to do that would be to run a program in DSi mode... IE, we'd need a way for the DSi in DSi mode to read homebrew software...

I'd honestly take no news to be good news. If a potential hacker does find an exploit, it's better NOT to announce it until there is something tangible to work with. Otherwise nintendo could get wise to it and patch it before the software is even complete.

As for why no news is good news... well you don't hear any potential hackers/developers saying "oh no, we can't figure this out! It'll never be hacked!" The only news we've gotten is that Loopy (someone very trusted in the GBA/DS scene) purportedly obtained the public key and since then it's been a media blackout. I'd say patience is a virtue... sit back and I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised by the results.

 

[Lughaidh]

To encrypt/decrypt a wiiware channel you'd need to have a way of dumping your system's private key (not the same as the public key) and the only way to do that would be to run a program in DSi mode... IE, we'd need a way for the DSi in DSi mode to read homebrew software...

I'd honestly take no news to be good news. If a potential hacker does find an exploit, it's better NOT to announce it until there is something tangible to work with. Otherwise nintendo could get wise to it and patch it before the software is even complete.

As for why no news is good news... well you don't hear any potential hackers/developers saying "oh no, we can't figure this out! It'll never be hacked!" The only news we've gotten is that Loopy (someone very trusted in the GBA/DS scene) purportedly obtained the public key and since then it's been a media blackout. I'd say patience is a virtue... sit back and I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised by the results.

Finally some sense talked out of this topic.

Thanks Koji2009!

 

[CrimsoniteX]

Good call Koji2009

We may be seeing some progress here soon anyway. My Healthy Cooking Coach is set to be released on June 17th, and that is supposedly the first DSi enhanced game. That should give us something to work with.

 

[DeltaBurnt]

Honestly trying to decrypt DSiWare games will get us no where. People keep trying. It's better to just look for some actual game exploits (such as the new DSi enhanced game coming).

 

[darkriku2000]

hey.. im new in all this... and i do not know about programing but i have a tough last night .... maybe instead of making a "homebrew chanel" you should make something like a shortcut {in a dsi ware} to the "moonshell" the system in the flash cards for DS so we just need to download monshell to our SD card and use Moonshell to play games and videos and all that stuff i mean that would be easer?don´t it?

Swing and a miss

It really isn't a bad idea.
Instead of creating a channel, just a forwarder to a homebrew booter.
It might be just as hard to do that though.


Has anyone been able to extract or decrypt or whatever the channels yet?

Reason I said what I said was is because he's just jumping straight to a later step, before we even THINK about what kind of homebrew to make, we have to find some kind of exploit

 

[Livin in a box]

Has anyone tried the chickHEN PSP icons on it? I might try them and see what happens. R2 and R1 and the slim and phat versions. You never know, it might freeze. Then again, the DSi might not open them as they've not been taken with the camera...

 

[omatic]

I wish that if someone was working on it they would report their progress.
A little info would be nice so maybe some other people can help out... move it along a little faster maybe.

Many times in software development, it doesn't help when people just jump in mid-project. Getting them up to speed (especially if over the internet) may take longer than it would have taken to finish the project yourself. In addition, integration of code between several people is a real chore unless there is a well-established system that is specified before collaboration begins. Plus, if someone wanted help from another, they'd directly ask that person, instead of publicly announcing it.

So, announcing progress (in situations like this) doesn't help the programmer much, and has several risks (people constantly e-mailing you, Nintendo zeroing in on your work, etc.). It's best to wait it out, or attempt to find exploits on your own.

 

[darkriku2000]

Has anyone tried the chickHEN PSP icons on it? I might try them and see what happens. R2 and R1 and the slim and phat versions. You never know, it might freeze. Then again, the DSi might not open them as they've not been taken with the camera...

Not gonna work, they where made using an exploit in the 5.03 firmware that allowed them to cause a buffer overflow to run homebrew made at the root of the memory stick, so it wouldn't work on account that it's different software.

Although I do think that what people should be focusing on, instead of dsiware, is finding an exploit in the camera to try and cause a buffer overflow (via editing a photo taken with the camera), than we can possibly get an HB launcher, than maybe a HEN, and than possibly a channel or custom firmware

 

[TrolleyDave]

Has anyone tried the chickHEN PSP icons on it? I might try them and see what happens. R2 and R1 and the slim and phat versions. You never know, it might freeze. Then again, the DSi might not open them as they've not been taken with the camera...

Not gonna work, they where made using an exploit in the 5.03 firmware that allowed them to cause a buffer overflow to run homebrew made at the root of the memory stick, so it wouldn't work on account that it's different software.

Although I do think that what people should be focusing on, instead of dsiware, is finding an exploit in the camera to try and cause a buffer overflow (via editing a photo taken with the camera), than we can possibly get an HB launcher, than maybe a HEN, and than possibly a channel or custom firmware

Do you even know what a buffer overflow is and why it works? Not all buffer overflow errors lead to exploits, and not all picture systems have unchecked buffer overflow errors.

 

[darkriku2000]

Has anyone tried the chickHEN PSP icons on it? I might try them and see what happens. R2 and R1 and the slim and phat versions. You never know, it might freeze. Then again, the DSi might not open them as they've not been taken with the camera...

Not gonna work, they where made using an exploit in the 5.03 firmware that allowed them to cause a buffer overflow to run homebrew made at the root of the memory stick, so it wouldn't work on account that it's different software.

Although I do think that what people should be focusing on, instead of dsiware, is finding an exploit in the camera to try and cause a buffer overflow (via editing a photo taken with the camera), than we can possibly get an HB launcher, than maybe a HEN, and than possibly a channel or custom firmware

Do you even know what a buffer overflow is and why it works? Not all buffer overflow errors lead to exploits, and not all picture systems have unchecked buffer overflow errors.

Yes, it's where a process stores data in a buffer outside the memory the programmer set aside for it. This usually leads to a crash, and may allow the person who caused the crash to point the system towards data that the original programmer didn't intend to be read, such as the homebrew on the psp. I know that not all photo systems are exploitable, I'm just suggesting that somebody attempt to find one, since it's about as good as anything else that we can try. The reason that I suggested that somebody attempt it using a photo taken in the photo channel is because than getting the DSi to read it isn't as big of a problem.

Don't worry, I've done my research