WIP DragonInjector - Game Cart Payload Injector (Trinket M0 Clone)

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  1. Patxinco

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    thanks you , I was going to buy it , but no , was too good to be true
     
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  4. peteruk

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    Feeling quite ignorant here, I've seen this thread in the index many times but never clicked on it until today. I really love the concept of this and I would definitely like to buy one when available.

    Good job to all involved in the project.
     
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    Well, that's an interesting thing to wake up to. @Timgamer, could you please provide me the link to the webpage where you took that screenshot? I'd like to see the page and potentially contact the seller.

    Re-sellers have been something far, far at the back of my mind because I didn't think the interest would be high enough to worry about it. If I'm wrong about that, I should plan what to do about them. Since the project is open source (or it will be when it's actually done!) there's not too much I can do to prevent clones from popping up if the demand is there, and I'm set on keeping it open source. However, there are some things I can do to discourage abuse of the project.

    First, if the project is successful, I'll trademark the name and logo. This would give people the ability to build their own but not resell them under the DragonInjector name or logo without my explicit permission. This would be in addition to the requirement of linking back to my original source files as required by the CC-SA 4.0 license this project will be open-sourced under, so many buyers would be made aware the product they were looking at was a clone. Obviously some re-sellers won't care what's legal and what isn't, but it's something at least.

    Second, I should state that I'm not against re-sellers as long as they make me aware they plan to re-sell the product (even if it would be fairly obvious by order quantities from purchases). I have no problem sharing an official list of re-sellers if the demand is there. There are some advantages to having re-sellers, but the important one for me would be the amount of time I'd save not having to mail single units out in great numbers or deal with international mailing, which gives me more time to actually make the product and less headaches from my post office.

    While I still think it's way too early for anyone to want to become a re-seller (I still don't have a 100% working prototype in my hands!), in the event that you do want to become one, I urge you to contact me so we can do so in a mutually-beneficial fashion. I can provide discounts for bulk orders and potentially also some savings on shipping costs, as well give you access to higher quality and unique renders and photographs for your store.

    One last thing I could do (which as a maker I really don't like the idea of, but it is an option) is to wait a month or so after launch to provide the source files publicly. Instead, I would restrict them to requests from established GBATemp members. Again, I really don't like this idea, but I also don't like the idea of the project suffering due to bad quality clones or users who need some help with the product and aren't aware they can get it here or on the Discord server I'll be creating.

    A lot of the above would require me to talk to a business lawyer about certifications and stuff, but again if the demand is there I've no problem doing so.

    As always, I'd appreciate any feedback you all have on the matter. :)
     
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    Sexy as hell.
     
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  8. Konsus

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    @MatinatorX

    I don't want to resell your DragonInjector directly, but I have created a Discord Server for every German buyer, so we can reduce shipping costs and stress.
    I would really appreciate it, if you would link the (few?) Discord servers in the first post, so users can find their respective country server directly.

    https://discord.gg/MURyXdR
     
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    This sounds like a good idea to me. If anyone has a region specific Discord geared towards combined shipping to save on costs, send me a PM with the details and I'll include it in the first post. If no server exists for your country, please let me know and I'll create one. This will help me better coordinate such things and also prevent duplicate servers for a single region. Be sure to let me know if your handle on Discord differs from here on the forums.

    As far as a general project Discord goes, I think it's about time I create one to help keep this development thread clean. Expect an update to the main post tonight. :)
     
  10. Triptamine

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    I was hoping these headaches would be AFTER project completion, not before =/.

    I believe you should probably go ahead and keep source private for the time being. Anything already there is archived so it will only be the latest improvements but I can see this becoming a mess if shifty sellers trying to turn quick profits with clones that aren't produced to the same spec or quality and the confusion this will cause conssumers (not to mention the personal and financial impact it could have on you considering all the time and money you have invested in making the best possible device that you could imagine.) That also makes support that much more difficult. I suggest using a QR code or other identifier to verify your legitimate product so we aren't trying to assist with issues over fractured hardware versions and cheap components failing.
     
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  11. MatinatorX
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    It's unfortunate I have to take this route, but I think that's best, at least for the first few weeks after launch. I'll still provide the source files to longstanding members of the community here at GBAtemp if they ask. I'll see if I can find a novel way of identifying boards as genuine, but I think anyone concerned about such a thing would be aware of this thread, and if ever I do have re-sellers I'll be maintaining a list of them here so buyers know where to get a DragonInjector that was born in my kitchen. ;)

    — Posts automatically merged - Please don't double post! —

    Also, main post has finally been updated to reflect the latest developments with the project, as has the product poster. A public Discord server has been created which is linked in the first post.
     
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  12. Adran_Marit

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    Keep up the good work :)
     
  13. roedesh

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    If anyone from the Netherlands wants to do combined shipping, feel free to contact me.
     
  14. leon315

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    dude, i'll buy 2, JUST TAKE MY MONEY!
     
  15. HtheB

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    You probably need more posts, and you're pretty new over here. Would be hard to convince anyone.
    I would like to take this task over.
    From the Netherlands as well :)
     
  16. roedesh

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    Yeah I guess you're right. Thanks!
     
  17. mvfsullivan

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    I am so damn glad I didn't buy SX Pro or Gear. I don't think I've ever been so excited for something in my life lol. I will be ordering two on day 1 for sure. How much do you plan on selling them for?
     
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  18. MatinatorX
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    Thanks so much! I plan on selling them for $30 CAD if the testing goes well.
     
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  19. Monado_III

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    If you don't mind me asking what province are you in?
     
  20. The14thfly

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    Dude if you sell it for $30 cad, im gonna buy two or three.
     
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    I'm in Ontario, near the national capital.
     
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