'Don't say gay' bill has passed the Tennessee Senate

[KingVamp]

Gay is the fucking man. If he's not busy steering the USS Enterprise or running shirtless down it's halls with a fencing sword, he's making the best anti-bigotry ads and statements ever.

Pointless (yet funny). That like trying to change a state marriage to something else for gays, no it still a state marriage no matter the change of name.

If I want use marry for my union then gays should be able too. Sorry mind lock on another thread.

It still gay, it still takei, it the same no matter what.

This is just silly. This is nothing,but unnecessary censoring.

We should try to censor straight next.

 

[Jamstruth]

Well the original meaning of gay isn't homosexual. Heck, it's not even the formal use. It's jut it's most prominent use. People know what it means when you say something's gay, I don't think it's wrong to say.

Uhm... that's just the bill's nickname. It prohibits the discussion of homosexuality in schools (up to a certain age?) but not of heterosexuality. The gay/Takei thing is a device to gain interest in fighting the bill.

 

[The Catboy]

Well the original meaning of gay isn't homosexual. Heck, it's not even the formal use. It's jut it's most prominent use. People know what it means when you say something's gay, I don't think it's wrong to say.

That's not what this bill is about (although I do disagree when someone uses gay to mean something is stupid) this bill prohibits discussion about homosexuality in the school K-8 and pretty much means they will only focus on heterosexuality. Pretty much they are pretending homosexuals don't exist by just not talking about us.
As for what Takei is doing, he is mocking this bill to bring awareness to both the serious nature of this bill as well as how silly it really is.

 

[TLSS_N]

since no one has actually posted the bill, I will go ahead and do it!

SB0049
00120166
-1-


SENATE BILL 49
By Campfield

AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 49,
Chapter 6, Part 10, relative to education.

BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE:
SECTION 1. Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 49-6-1005, is amended by adding
the following as new subsection (c) and by relettering the existing subsection (c) accordingly:

(c)

(1) The general assembly recognizes the sensitivity of particular subjects
that are best explained and discussed in the home. Human sexuality is a
complex subject with societal, scientific, psychological, and historical
implications; those implications are best understood by children with sufficient
maturity to grasp their complexity.
(2) Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, no public elementary or
middle school shall provide any instruction or material that discusses sexual
orientation other than heterosexuality.
SECTION 2. This act shall take effect upon becoming a law, the public welfare requiring
it.

The general assembly recognizes the sensitivity of particular subjects
that are best explained and discussed in the home. Human sexuality is a
complex subject with societal, scientific, psychological, and historical
implications; those implications are best understood by children with sufficient
maturity to grasp their complexity.

translation: There saying that the correct place to discuss such matters is in the home, when the child is mature enough to understand such matters. there is nothing wrong with that!

Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, no public elementary or
middle school shall provide any instruction or material that discusses sexual
orientation other than heterosexuality.
SECTION 2. This act shall take effect upon becoming a law, the public welfare requiring
it.

translation: If another law is passed that explicitly states that children really need to know about sexuality in school systems, this bill permits it to follow through with it's designed intentions. Sexual education isn't taught in school in the state of Tennessee until high school. that's when my sister took the class. I myself didn't take sex ed until late in 8th grade in Kentucky.

really, should teachers be teaching a 10 year old how to put a condom on a cucumber?

edit:source 1, source 2

 

[KingVamp]

Ok,but then that still not a reason to censor gay. If any censor is done then all
things that show/tell sexual orientation should be censored.

So they can discuss heterosexuality, but not homosexuality?

If that how they feel then it should be not to discuss any sexuality.

 

[Giga_Gaia]

So, they can't tell it at school. Big deal, people could just go out on the streets and call other people gays.

 

[TLSS_N]

Ok,but then that still not a reason to censor gay. If any censor is done then all
things that show/tell sexual orientation should be censored.

it was a joke because Senator Stacey Campfield realized that it would be taken way out of context.

QUOTESo they can discuss heterosexuality, but not homosexuality?

If that how they feel then it should be not discussion of any sexuality.

he said it‘s necessary because the state’s curriculum is unclear on what can be taught.

 

[Jamstruth]

Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, no public elementary or
middle school shall provide any instruction or material that discusses sexual
orientation other than heterosexuality.
SECTION 2. This act shall take effect upon becoming a law, the public welfare requiring
it.

translation: If another law is passed that explicitly states that children really need to know about sexuality in school systems, this bill permits it to follow through with it's designed intentions. Sexual education isn't taught in school in the state of Tennessee until high school. that's when my sister took the class. I myself didn't take sex ed until late in 8th grade in Kentucky.

Actually it says that they can talk about heterosexuality only. Kinda discriminatory don't you think? Why should they be able to teach one sexual orientation to their "underage minds" while the others are deemed too complex and immoral to teach to them?

 

[TLSS_N]

Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary, no public elementary or
middle school shall provide any instruction or material that discusses sexual
orientation other than heterosexuality.
SECTION 2. This act shall take effect upon becoming a law, the public welfare requiring
it.

translation: If another law is passed that explicitly states that children really need to know about sexuality in school systems, this bill permits it to follow through with it's designed intentions. Sexual education isn't taught in school in the state of Tennessee until high school. that's when my sister took the class. I myself didn't take sex ed until late in 8th grade in Kentucky.

Actually it says that they can talk about heterosexuality only. Kinda discriminatory don't you think? Why should they be able to teach one sexual orientation to their "underage minds" while the others are deemed too complex and immoral to teach to them?

Have you ever been to Tennessee? I doubt it, but the moral construct is quite different to that of Europe, I can imagine. there are homosexual people in Tennessee but they are in the extreme minority, why would they take the time to teach something that a majority of the class has no need in knowing? where I lived previously, in the Knoxville greater metropolitan area. I never ran across one homosexual individual. like I said, those who practice homosexuality are in the extreme minority.

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

Many of the homosexuals in Tennessee are in extreme hiding.

(Or they live in one of the major cities where they can be more open)

They are indeed a minority, but they're absolutely there.

 

[KingVamp]

It really that hard to say in a little section "There are people who go with the same gender (men with men and girls with girls,) but they can't reproduce. You will learn more when you get order." or something?

It not like they didn't exist.

 

[machomuu]

Well the original meaning of gay isn't homosexual. Heck, it's not even the formal use. It's jut it's most prominent use. People know what it means when you say something's gay, I don't think it's wrong to say.

That's not what this bill is about (although I do disagree when someone uses gay to mean something is stupid) this bill prohibits discussion about homosexuality in the school K-8 and pretty much means they will only focus on heterosexuality. Pretty much they are pretending homosexuals don't exist by just not talking about us.
As for what Takei is doing, he is mocking this bill to bring awareness to both the serious nature of this bill as well as how silly it really is.

Oh, I get it. I did read the OP, I guess I interpreted it incorrectly. Sorry for my ignorance, which on my part is hypocritical as well.

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

KingVamp: A lot of families here feel that teaching of that sort of thing should be done by parents rather than schools.

 

[Jamstruth]

Have you ever been to Tennessee? I doubt it, but the moral construct is quite different to that of Europe, I can imagine. there are homosexual people in Tennessee but they are in the extreme minority, why would they take the time to teach something that a majority of the class has no need in knowing? where I lived previously, in the Knoxville greater metropolitan area. I never ran across one homosexual individual. like I said, those who practice homosexuality are in the extreme minority.

So what you're saying is that because most people will never see one they don't need to know of their existance? What if they moved away from Tennessee to, say, San Francisco? They'd see a lot there, and how would they react?
If you don't teach kids about it it breeds confusion, and humans hate what they don't understand. If we teach kids about it hopefully we pave the way to a more understanding society in the future. What if one of the kids was gay? What if later they were weirded out when they started being attracted to guys because they were never told there was another sexual orientation?
I never came across a gay person until I was 14. I knew vaguely about them and I knew him before he came out and he's a pretty cool guy (though he DOES creep me out sometimes but I'd call out a straight guy on some of the things he says). Because I knew a bit about it, I just accepted it. If I didn't know anything about it I'd have been pretty darn weirded out by it.

The main problem with this law is that if you're gonna ban the teaching of Sex Ed in schools under a certain age then fine. That's entirely your thing. Ban all teaching of Sex Ed except for one side of it however? THat's just gonna cause trouble and be disciminatory.

 

[TLSS_N]

Many of the homosexuals in Tennessee are in extreme hiding.

(Or they live in one of the major cities where they can be more open)

They are indeed a minority, but they're absolutely there.

look, I don't have a problem with those who either choose, or are by birth homosexual. allot of my old friends from Tennessee feel the same way and if they where in fact, homosexual they know I wouldn't have a problem with it. There are allot of people in Tennessee, I lived in a town of less than 200 people after I moved back from Florida, right outside of Gatlinburg. There was no difference between when I lived in Gatlinburg, and the town I lived in after I moved back. I can't talk for the whole state, but I can talk from my own experiences. From what I have experienced, those who are either openly, or secretly gay when in a extreme minority.

 

[KingVamp]

KingVamp: A lot of families here feel that teaching of that sort of thing should be done by parents rather than schools.

Then heterosexuality should be to right?

@ Vulpes Abnocto (below)

That doesn't seem fair. That like a homosexuality couple saying that their adopted kid shouldn't learn heterosexuality through the school.

Any sexual practices should be taught by parents.

Maybe I'm thinking about it too hard.

 

[Vulpes Abnocto]

KV

I don't quite understand you.

But I'd say this was the basis of this whole bill being brought to light: that families didn't want their kids taught about alternative sexual practices by schools.

 

[Foxi4]

The way I see it, sexuality is a personal matter - if it should be taught or explained by anyone, it's by the parents, not the school.

The schooling system is supposed to prepare you to work in the society and find a fitting job that reflects your talents. Your sexuality has *nothing* to do with it.

I hate it when the government or the media take the responsibility off parents and put it on someone else. Actually, I'm leaning towards the "It's for the benefit of us all" side of the argument, even though these guys are insane in the first place.

Sexuality is not a thing that should be preached about, it's not something you can be taught. It's something you discover yourself at a certain age, and no ammount of sex-ed can change what's hard-coded into you. If confused, you should head straight to your parents or a specialist, not your teacher.

 

[Nathan Drake]

What I find odd is that discussion can't even take play for the better part of their school lives. Are gay teachers supposed to oppress their own sexuality because of the ignorance that still exists throughout many parts of America? Do students have to further hide who they are?

Also, did people miss the part where students couldn't discuss it? Far more happens in school than just traditional learning.

 

[TLSS_N]

So what you're saying is that because most people will never see one they don't need to know of their existance? What if they moved away from Tennessee to, say, San Francisco? They'd see a lot there, and how would they react?
If you don't teach kids about it it breeds confusion, and humans hate what they don't understand. If we teach kids about it hopefully we pave the way to a more understanding society in the future. What if one of the kids was gay? What if later they were weirded out when they started being attracted to guys because they were never told there was another sexual orientation?

I never said that, of course people know that there are people who are gay. everyone knows that there are gay people out there.

I would imagine they would want to move back if they had children, would you want your child to walk down the street while a leather bondage parade was going on?

I have to respectfully disagree with you here. I believe it will confuse the child they have two fathers while there friend bill has a father and a mother. It confuses the child more in that aspect, they will be taught by there parents that there are different kinds of relationships when the appropriate moment comes to pass. The child would come to having these feelings, and when he or she was comfortable with what they felt, they could talk to either there parents, or someone that they trusted.

I never came across a gay person until I was 14. I knew vaguely about them and I knew him before he came out and he's a pretty cool guy (though he DOES creep me out sometimes but I'd call out a straight guy on some of the things he says). Because I knew a bit about it, I just accepted it. If I didn't know anything about it I'd have been pretty darn weirded out by it.

That was your personal experience, everyone is different. I knew about homosexual people since I was about 7, I don't see anything wrong with what they do as long as they don't involve children or force others into the act.

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The main problem with this law is that if you're gonna ban the teaching of Sex Ed in schools under a certain age then fine. That's entirely your thing. Ban all teaching of Sex Ed except for one side of it however? THat's just gonna cause trouble and be disciminatory.

the child is sent home with a permission slip before he or she is taught about such things, if the childs parents want them to learn about such things, they can forbid the teaching of the class to the student, and teach there child as they see fit.

I don't quite understand you.

But I'd say this was the basis of this whole bill being brought to light: that families didn't want their kids taught about alternative sexual practices by schools.

Vulpes Abnocto, are you talking to me or KingVamp?