Do many people really HATE Apple that much?

[Foxi4]

Do you not get it? Macs ARE NOT virus/trojan/malware free. AND THEY (nor any other PC) NEVER WILL BE (apart from maybe Chromebooks etc. where nothing is downloaded).

Chrome books could certainly have viruses or malware written for them. They execute code (javascript, HTML5 stuff, flash etc. etc.), and so could be exploited. There is no need for a file to be downloaded for it to cause harm. And besides that, I'm pretty sure you can download files on Chrome books.

Chromebooks don't have a hard drive that's available to the user - it's basically read-only and exclusive for the OS, everything else is kept in the Cloud or on external drives, thus even if a virus infection would occour, the file would be kept on a server or an external drive, system stability would not be affected. I'm pretty sure the OS drive is locked-out from writting to it on the OS level, so... yeah.

 

[SifJar]

Chromebooks don't have a hard drive that's available to the user - it's basically read-only and exclusive for the OS, everything else is kept in the Cloud or on external drives, thus even if a virus infection would occour, the file would be kept on a server or an external drive, system stability would not be affected. I'm pretty sure the OS drive is locked-out from writting to it on the OS level, so... yeah.

It is still a security issue: What do chrome books do? Browse the internet. And what are common uses of internet browsing? Internet banking, online shopping, communication, all things you don't want a hacker to have access to.

 

[Foxi4]

Chromebooks don't have a hard drive that's available to the user - it's basically read-only and exclusive for the OS, everything else is kept in the Cloud or on external drives, thus even if a virus infection would occour, the file would be kept on a server or an external drive, system stability would not be affected. I'm pretty sure the OS drive is locked-out from writting to it on the OS level, so... yeah.

It is still a security issue: What do chrome books do? Browse the internet. And what are common uses of internet browsing? Internet banking, online shopping, communication, all things you don't want a hacker to have access to.

The problem here is that for a virus to do damage on a Chromebook, it would have to ligner in RAM undetected, which is hard for me to imagine as Chromebooks are equipped with hardware-based anti-virus solutions which, as far as I understand, monitor processes and kill those unrelated to the system or otherwise unsigned when running Chrome OS. In other words, if something's not a Google's cloud application then it is likely that it will be killed before it does damage.

That said, I don't particularily *like* the design precisely due to lack of storage. It's a laptop that's only useful wherever there's internet - I could strip any laptop of the HDD, put the OS on some flash, set it to read-only and end up with the same result.

 

[SifJar]

The problem here is that for a virus to do damage on a Chromebook, it would have to ligner in RAM undetected, which is hard for me to imagine as Chromebooks are equipped with hardware-based anti-virus solutions which, as far as I understand, monitor processes and kill those unrelated to the system or otherwise unsigned when running Chrome OS. In other words, if something's not a Google's cloud application then it is likely that it will be killed before it does damage.

That said, I don't particularily *like* the design precisely due to lack of storage. It's a laptop that's only useful wherever there's internet - I could strip any laptop of the HDD, put the OS on some flash, set it to read-only and end up with the same result.

I fail to see your point. No, damage can't be done to the OS. That wasn't the point I was making. I was talking about how security of online transactions etc. could be compromised. As for this "hardware AV" - first I've ever heard of it. And besides, that sort of thing can be worked around. PS3 has a processor core dedicated solely to ensuring unsigned code isn't running. Lot of good that did. It's just an extra thing to exploit. If the devices become truly popular, you can be 100% sure there WILL be viruses and malware and the like for them.

 

[Foxi4]

I fail to see your point. No, damage can't be done to the OS. That wasn't the point I was making. I was talking about how security of online transactions etc. could be compromised. As for this "hardware AV" - first I've ever heard of it. And besides, that sort of thing can be worked around. PS3 has a processor core dedicated solely to ensuring unsigned code isn't running. Lot of good that did. It's just an extra thing to exploit. If the devices become truly popular, you can be 100% sure there WILL be viruses and malware and the like for them.

For an online transaction to be compromised, first you need a virus or some sort of malware working in the background to sniff and re-send the data, and any process unrecognized by Google is (supposedly) killed, so it limits possibilities greatly.

Of course it can be worked around - every kind of protection can, I'm just saying it's done in a particularily smart fashion.

I've read about the hardware infection detection on the official Chromebook page, not sure how much of it is true but it looks interesting.

Also, the PS3's HyperVisor is not exactly a good example here simply because the HyperVisor just didn't give a damn as long as the code was running on a layer higher than itself - if the code was inside a piece of RAM that the HyperVisor previously assigned to a signed program, it no longer checked what was running in it, thus a simple buffer overflow and overlapping allowed running unsigned code right under the HyperVisor's nose. This solution is entirely different.

 

[Actinopterygian Melospiza]

When people have to use edge cases like the mac pro (with it's ECC RAM) and the air (ultraportable, and yes dell and other companies have expensive-for-the-specs machines like that as well), the pricing situation isn't nearly as bad as some would have you believe.

ehh...it kinda is

MacBook Pro:
Mac OS X Lion
15.4 in. 1440x900 (16:10)
2.2GHz Intel Core i7
4GB 1333MHz DDR3
500GB 5400 RPM SATA Drive
AMD Radeon HD 6750M 512MB
8x DVD/CD burner
77.5 WHr Battery
Price: $1,799.00

Dell XPS:
Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
15.4 in. 1366x768 (16:9)
2.2GHz Intel Core i7
6GB 1333MHz DDR3
750GB 7200 RPM SATA Drive
NVIDIA GeForce GT 525M 1GB
8x DVD/CD burner
90 WHr Battery
Price: $974.99

For the price of that MacBook, you could get a pretty sweet XPS:
Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
15.4 in. 1920x1080 (16:9)
2.4GHz Intel Core i7
8GB 1333MHz DDR3
750GB 7200 RPM SATA Drive
NVIDIA GeForce GT 540M 2G
BD/DVD/CD Burner
90 WHr Battery
Price: $1,784.99 - lol, it's still cheaper

 

[Rydian]

The original model XPS you listed has a lower screen resolution and the GPU is half the power, so not all the important specs for gaming are up there (you picked the pro with the dedicated GPU so I assume that was your point).

I am NOT saying that apple machines are not more expensive, just that people blow the differences way out of proportion.

 

[Thesolcity]

I have no problem with Apple, its the consumers I hate.

 

[nando]

I have no problem with Apple, its the consumers I hate.

what did i ever do to you?

 

[Thesolcity]

I have no problem with Apple, its the consumers I hate.

what did i ever do to you?

Buy Apple products.

 

[nando]

I have no problem with Apple, its the consumers I hate.

what did i ever do to you?

Buy Apple products.

aw, you are probably just jelly

 

[bazamuffin]

Apple Fanboi's are the hipster scum of the tech world

 

[Thesolcity]

I have no problem with Apple, its the consumers I hate.

what did i ever do to you?

Buy Apple products.

aw, you are probably just jelly

Yep, completely jelly man.

-Posted from my iMac

 

[the_randomizer]

That said, I don't particularily *like* the design precisely due to lack of storage. It's a laptop that's only useful wherever there's internet - I could strip any laptop of the HDD, put the OS on some flash, set it to read-only and end up with the same result.

You can install Linux on Chromebooks, which Google specifically states is okay. That's what I did, but the remaining space is very limited after it re-partitions itself.

 

[Zerousen]

No problem against Apple myself, I just prefer Android over Apple. What really bugs me though, is how much better apple fanboys think they are because they have an iPhone. I suppose another thing that bugged me is that you couldn't really add external memory to the iPhone. I ran out of memory on my iPhone 4 (I kept alot of movies and apps for my little sister on there), and it had issues after I jailbroke it (probably some cydia application that messed up, though). I didn't want to have to pay so much to upgrade to one with more storage, so instead, I sold my iPhone, got an android device, stuck a 16 gb memory card in it, and no more issues. I felt that I could do so much more with my android phone than with my iPhone, and I don't feel limited to what I could do with it. I do miss some of the few perks I had on my jailbroken iPhone, but I feel that I've got more benefits with an android phone than with an iPhone.

That's just my side of the story. Most people probably just hating on people who have what they don't. Maybe there will come a time where hipsters feel that Apple has become too mainstream, and switch to Symbian or something

 

[finkmac]

The most expensive Mac. Period. Blows away the IIfx (US$10,000)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEYOND-RARE-PROTOTYPE-MACINTOSH-128k-APPLE-MAC-WITH-5-25-TWIGGY-DISK-DRIVE-/160781780426?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256f5745ca#ht_17992wt_1190

 

[IBNobody]

No problem against Apple myself, I just prefer Android over Apple. What really bugs me though, is how much better apple fanboys think they are because they have an iPhone. I suppose another thing that bugged me is that you couldn't really add external memory to the iPhone. I ran out of memory on my iPhone 4 (I kept alot of movies and apps for my little sister on there), and it had issues after I jailbroke it (probably some cydia application that messed up, though). I didn't want to have to pay so much to upgrade to one with more storage, so instead, I sold my iPhone, got an android device, stuck a 16 gb memory card in it, and no more issues. I felt that I could do so much more with my android phone than with my iPhone, and I don't feel limited to what I could do with it. I do miss some of the few perks I had on my jailbroken iPhone, but I feel that I've got more benefits with an android phone than with an iPhone.

That's just my side of the story. Most people probably just hating on people who have what they don't. Maybe there will come a time where hipsters feel that Apple has become too mainstream, and switch to Symbian or something

That's so true.

Apple fans or not, I can't stand Hipster Elitist Asshole Douche-bags, (HEADs)

 

[kthnxshwn]

Did you just make that up?

 

[Rydian]

You know, anti-apple people using blanket insults like that aren't helping the situation either.

It's pretty childish.

 

[IBNobody]

Did you just make that up?

HEAD? I don't remember if I made it up... I've been using that term for a while to bash Liberals who work in marketing (and also own every Apple product).