Homebrew RELEASE Development Thread - RetroArch libnx

[Huntereb]

It doesn't matter if it was built or packaged with the sdk, it USED the sdk, damnit

But is the resulting content copyrighted? If not, your argument stands no ground. As mentioned, the resulting content could have been produced using a different toolset, or even reverse engineering alone.

 

[Quantumcat]

Let me add that all nsp's (that i at least saw), that are circulating, do still have copyrighted code and need to be re-done

Then please report them.

 

[xXDungeon_CrawlerXx]

I mean either way, it's not copyrighted content. The argument being presented here makes it sound like it would be illegal to distribute images created with a pirated Adobe Photoshop. There are tools that create valid CIA's for 3DS projects, in no way do I see this as being any different.

You've a point. You can't see if someone distributes images created with a pirated Photoshop.
But in this case, there are still some traces that proves he used the SDK to build the NSP.

And yes, there are tools to create valid CIAs. But they're open source and are not using Copryrighted Material to build them.
But the SDK is Copyrighted Material and currently the only method to build working/valid program.ncas and cmnt.ncas.


I'm absolutly fine with that if the NCAs and NSP were build with an open source tool. Which hopefully comes sooner or later.



And yes @Quantumcat
Because there's no Open Source method to rebuild NCAs/NSPs completely legal, without the SDK, all NSPs are "illegal" in this case.
So if you find an NSP Release here on GBATemp, it's most likely illegal.

 

[Der_Blockbuster]

In the end its literally just the moral of gbatemp which conflicts. I dont see who could be bothered. Who cares if he releases a nsp built with sdk? I don't

 

[CoolerSugar955]

In the end its literally just the moral of gbatemp which conflicts. I dont see who could be bothered. Who cares if he releases a nsp built with sdk? I don't

The mods should

 

[m4xw]

But in this case, there are still some traces that proves he used the SDK to build the NSP.

I need to differ on that part. Not replicating those metadata when reverse engineering the process does leave you wide open.
In a perfectly replicated toolchain you will not be able to see the difference between a SDK packaged one, and a hb

 

[Huntereb]

But in this case, there are still some traces that proves he used the SDK to build the NSP.

Irrelevant, details pointing to the use of the SDK are not copyrighted content. Again, the information baked into the NSP could be a result of reverse engineering, and simply filling in gaps with what makes sense. Would your argument be different if it were re-uploaded with said information removed?

 

[filfat]

Its like your winrar .rar is copyrighted because your trial expired

That would depend on the licens.

Let's say winter was open source and licensed under GPL, then you decided to modify the code for whatever reason.
If you were to package something now using that program without releasing the source that would be illegal.
(one of the many problems with GPL and why you should never use it)

Nintendo's license obvs prevents you from distributing any material created from any of their tools.
To legally use the tool you have to accept the license.
So either you illegally used the tool, or you're breaking the license, either way distributing the NSP is illegal.

Now if the tool were to be reverse engineer and re-implemented, that would've been a whole other story since that wouldn't interfere with their license.
(kind of a catch-22 however since you're not allowed the access the tool without accepting the license; the license that prevents you from reverse engineering the tools).

 

[xXDungeon_CrawlerXx]

Irrelevant, details pointing to the use of the SDK are not copyrighted content. Again, the information baked into the NSP could be a result of reverse engineering, and simply filling in gaps with what makes sense. Would your argument be different if it were re-uploaded with said information removed?

Yea, but this is a valid argument:

This can't happen as a result of reverse engineering.

 

[m4xw]

Yea, but this is a valid argument:
View attachment 141450
This can't happen as a result of reverse engineering.

Meta. Data.

 

[xXDungeon_CrawlerXx]

Meta. Data.

Still used the SDK to build the NCAs/NSP.
My Argument is still valid.

 

[CoolerSugar955]

Meta. Data.

Exactly

 

[m4xw]

Still used the SDK to build the NCAs/NSP.
My Argument is still valid.

I mean you didn't proof it to me yet, that I used that.

 

[XorTroll]

I mean you didn't proof it to me yet, that I used that.

Are you kidding us? He showed images of the extracted metadata containing authoringtool and Nintendo info

 

[m4xw]

Are you kidding us? He showed images of the extracted metadata containing authoringtool and Nintendo info

That wasnt even my file. I never used keygen 5 to begin with, disregarding all his "evidence".

 

[Huntereb]

This can't happen as a result of reverse engineering.

And why can't it? Again, the contents of the binary could easily have been reversed from a legitimate binary in its recreation. It's not a piece of copyrighted code, therefore its irrelevant.

Unless your argument is the use of the word "Nintendo", in which many consumer protection laws would warrant this to be fair use.

 

[CoolerSugar955]

That wasnt even my file. I never used keygen 5 to begin with, disregarding all his "evidence".

It doesnt matter who's it is, you posted it!

 

[xXDungeon_CrawlerXx]

I mean you didn't proof it to me yet, that I used that.

1. the Meta Data is enough for that.
2. Your SDK Version in the NCA corresponds to the leaked March2018 SDK.
3. You literally said you used the SDK for that.
4. It would be really awesome, if you really build an open source NCA/NSP Builder that works perfectly. I know, that there's no such tool yet. I'm very active in the Scene and would know, if there were a legal alternative.

Sorry man, but this is how it is.
If you're interested in building a completely legal NSP, wait for SimonMKWii's NCA Builder.
This Builder even uses a Custom String for the "SDK Version".

 

[m4xw]

It doesnt matter who's it is, you posted it!

Thats the thing. He used a file that I didnt post to begin with

--------------------- MERGED ---------------------------

1. the Meta Data is enough for that.
2. Your SDK Version in the NCA corresponds to the leaked March2018 SDK.
3. You literally said you used the SDK for that.
4. It would be really awesome, if you really build an open source NCA/NSP Builder that works perfectly. I know, that there's no such tool yet. I'm very active in the Scene and would know, if there were a legal alternative.

Sorry man, but this is how it is.
If you're interested in building a completely legal NSP, wait for SimonMKWii's NCA Builder.
This Builder even uses a Custom String for the "SDK Version".

Heh and what if they ban now for a invalid sdk version / image meta data? Its best practice to replicate those anyway.
U know hekate sets some registers it doesnt even need to set, just because else we wouldve had a huge banwave day0

 

[Huntereb]

If you're interested in building a completely legal NSP, wait for SimonMKWii's NCA Builder.

Cringe.