Covid-19 vaccine

[KingVamp]

like pro-abortionists, the true NAZI's of our era.

BIG BROTHER SAYS YOU SHALL NOT!!!! For Your Health!

Complains about big brother, but is totally fine with big brother forcing people to have births, no matter what.

 

[XDel]

Complains about big brother, but is totally fine with big brother forcing people to have births, no matter what.

Big brother don't force anyone to have sex in the first place, but big brother does encourage sexuality out the freaking roof no doubt.

 

[tabzer]

I love the idea that Malone being banned from Twitter and therefore "discredited" was the primary point of the first "fact check".

All these hit pieces against him from journos with quotes from Doctor's saying "I have never heard of that" as a basis.

And his biggest mistake? Citing a peer-reviewed study. Lol. Granted, it turned out to have fundamental issues, and retractions were made.

The guy thinks a lot and has interesting input. I can see how people who want to control how others think are so enraged with him.

I'm curious about one point that was mentioned. If the "psuedo" spike-cells generated by cause of the mRNA vaccine aren't toxic, then why does the immune system react to it? Like, I can see how this topic can get very nuanced and frivolous--but when an editorial staff makes a claim about a Doctor spreading misinformation, this is no longer about "the experts".

 

[NoobletCheese]

imo it's virtuous to take the Covid vaccines, and I would never tell anyone not to take them.

But there is a vast chasm between virtues and obligations. It's virtuous to donate blood, donate to starving children, register as an organ donor, participate in clinical trials, have airbags in your car etc. But to make them obligatory would require extra justification.

If you're concerned I'm putting you at risk by being unvaccinated, there are many lines of defense at your disposal: multiple Covid vaccines, N95 mask, face shield, gloves, social distancing, daily nasal irrigation & throat gargle, daily shower, weight loss, vitamin D, vitamin C, zinc, work from home, stay at home (home delivery of supplies), avoid contact with the unvaccinated (we're a minority so your chances of encountering us in the wild are significantly lower) and natural immunity if you had prior infection.

If this doesn't achieve an absolute risk reduction to your satisfaction, then I will agree to get regularly tested. This should place me at a lower relative risk to you than someone who is untested and vaccinated. Which raises the question: should there be testing mandates for the vaccinated? After all, freedom doesn't include freedom to put others at risk. Choices have consequences.

Other minor issues include the right to consent to medical procedures & potential risks associated with the vaccines.

 

[The Catboy]

Oh ya, and one other aspect is that many of these banned doctors are forced to use sites other than Youtube because of the ridicule and censorship from the giant corporations. Many of them host their own web sites, but have to rely upon Bitchute, Rumble, Odysee, and such to host their videos, or for those who have interviewed them to host them.

They aren't "banned," they were discredited because their research is bunk. Their research has been reviewed and found to be bunk. They go to these sites so they can share their bunk reports and then complain about being "censored" when people point out that they are spreading trash.

I did share some of them, the World Economic Forum as an example, and DARPA, though that was through their Youtube channel. I can share more, but so far you just assume that I'm taking bits and pieces of random data and creating conspiracy theories out of it. All I am trying to say is take the time, listen to what they are saying, and double check the info that is spoon fed to us all because we are being lied to and we are in some serious danger. If I am wrong, and I'm not, but if I were, then the worse that comes out of listening to me is for me to look like an ass when it turns out tomorrow that the Covid really was a threat to our lives, that the world did need to be shut down, that the mRNA is good for your health, good for baby, and Bill Gates loves us all more than those little girls even.

You shared random links and then went on a ramble that I am not going to piece together when I know it's conspiracy nonsense. I don't care about organizations nor what they say because at the end of the day, it's only about the results and if those results can be replicated. If there's some conspiracy about "The Great Reset" or some shit like that, then I am going to ignore that because it's not relevant and I don't fucking care. If your research is something worth a damn, then post it and let it be reviewed. If your posts are just conspiracy rambles, then they are going to be dismissed. I am not going to entertain conspiracy rambles. Either make a post with something from an actual reliable source or continue to be called out for your garbage until the staff finally lock this thread.

 

[XDel]

They aren't "banned," they were discredited because their research is bunk. Their research has been reviewed and found to be bunk. They go to these sites so they can share their bunk reports and then complain about being "censored" when people point out that they are spreading trash.

You shared random links and then went on a ramble that I am not going to piece together when I know it's conspiracy nonsense. I don't care about organizations nor what they say because at the end of the day, it's only about the results and if those results can be replicated. If there's some conspiracy about "The Great Reset" or some shit like that, then I am going to ignore that because it's not relevant and I don't fucking care. If your research is something worth a damn, then post it and let it be reviewed. If your posts are just conspiracy rambles, then they are going to be dismissed. I am not going to entertain conspiracy rambles. Either make a post with something from an actual reliable source or continue to be called out for your garbage until the staff finally lock this thread.

Well if you are going to pre-judge everything and jump to conclusions there isn't much we can accomplish in the way of sharing material or conversation, though I did send you a PM with a video I thought you might find amusing.

 

[The Catboy]

Well if you are going to pre-judge everything and jump to conclusions there isn't much we can accomplish in the way of sharing material or conversation, though I did send you a PM with a video I thought you might find amusing.

I’d prefer if you didn’t, that would require me unblocking you and I am not about to do that.

 

[XDel]

I’d prefer if you didn’t, that would require me unblocking you and I am not about to do that.

Unblock me? But I was only being friendly, sheesh.

 

[Delerious]

The issue isn’t really about who does and doesn’t get vaccinated, it’s the misinformation being constantly spread by the same people against vaccines. Someone not wanting to get vaccinated based on misinformation is a something that should be corrected. Someone spreading that misinformation is also something that should be corrected. I am not about forcing people to be vaccinated, I am just want to stop and counter the spread of conspiracies and misinformation on the forums.

The way I see it, people need to be responsible for themselves. It's one thing to have made this argument several months ago, but again - at this point, those who have not gotten the vaccine have pretty much made up their minds. If some of the users in this forum aren't able to discern fact from fiction, then that's ultimately on them, and they're going to have to live with the possibility that their lack of action may very well harm others. Users on this forum have over 170 pages of this thread to look through - not to mention THOUSANDS of pages on Google - if they really feel inclined to. If at this point, people are still not going to listen, then it's not our responsibility to try and convince them - and in fact, reading/hearing the thing they don't want to read/hear often only has the opposite desired effect among the most stubborn of people. You need look no further than basic psychology to understand that. It's like trying to convince a flat-Earther that the Earth is round. Hell, there are unvaccinated people who have been hospitalized for COVID who STILL say that they would never get the vaccine.

 

[The Catboy]

I love the idea that Malone being banned from Twitter and therefore "discredited" was the primary point of the first "fact check".

All these hit pieces against him from journos with quotes from Doctor's saying "I have never heard of that" as a basis.

And his biggest mistake? Citing a peer-reviewed study. Lol. Granted, it turned out to have fundamental issues, and retractions were made.

I'm curious about one point that was mentioned. If the "psuedo" spike-cells generated by cause of the mRNA vaccine aren't toxic, then why does the immune system react to it? Like, I can see how this topic can get very nuanced and frivolous--but when an editorial staff makes a claim about a Doctor spreading misinformation, this is no longer about "the experts".

His mistake wasn’t what he cited, it’s the misinformation he spreads and tries to us his doctorate’s to give credence to.
You could just read how they work if you are actually interested
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...=The mRNA vaccines do not,it on their surface.
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-mrna-vaccines

The way I see it, people need to be responsible for themselves. It's one thing to have made this argument several months ago, but again - at this point, those who have not gotten the vaccine have pretty much made up their minds. If some of the users in this forum aren't able to discern fact from fiction, then that's ultimately on them, and they're going to have to live with the possibility that their lack of action may very well harm others. Users on this forum have over 170 pages of this thread to look through - not to mention THOUSANDS of pages on Google - if they really feel inclined to. If at this point, people are still not going to listen, then it's not our responsibility to try and convince them - and in fact, reading/hearing the thing they don't want to read/hear often only has the opposite desired effect among the most stubborn of people. You need look no further than basic psychology to understand that. It's like trying to convince a flat-Earther that the Earth is round. Hell, there are unvaccinated people who have been hospitalized for COVID who STILL say that they would never get the vaccine.

I get cha but I am actually not trying to convince them because I’ve given up years ago on some of them. I am just trying to counter misinformation until this thread is finally locked.

 

[tabzer]

His mistake wasn’t what he cited

If that's true, then why do half of your "debunking" articles say otherwise? Do you read them?

Also, you ignored a key point that I highlighted about the nature of toxicity of the pseudo spike-proteins which is another bulk that the "debunking" targets.

Not only are you contradicting the science with your own misinformation (natural immunity), you are contradicting the sources that you post.

 

[The Catboy]

If that's true, then why do half of your "debunking" articles say otherwise? Do you read them?

Also, you ignored a key point that I highlighted about the nature of toxicity of the pseudo spike-proteins which is another bulk that the "debunking" targets.

Not only are you contradicting the science with your own misinformation (natural immunity), you are contradicting the sources that you post.

Provide a source that shows I am wrong, wait you fucking won’t because you never have sources. You only post some bullshit and expect to be respected. Prove me wrong.

 

[mightymuffy]

Provide a source that shows I am wrong, wait you fucking won’t because you never have sources. You only post some bullshit and expect to be respected. Prove me wrong.

Wow is this feckwit STILL at it.... "I want proof! I WAAANT PRo0oF!11!" Get a grip sunshine, how many times do we have to tell you about said sources? Oh wait, you clearly don't bother reading those posts coz they aren't for you. Or something. Recent proof being a reply you made a few hours back to Xdel ffs.. At least that other horseshit peddler with the toon link avatar has gone quiet...

A lot has changed since this topic was created to be honest: Omicron, should you care to read statistics from, ohhh, someone like the ONS here in the UK, yeah fly by night cowboys that don't know what they're talking about (I'm sure there's similar US based sites that will provide the same information) But yeah Omicron is not only little more than a severe cold in terms of how ill the worst off become from it, it also provides immunisation from the Delta variant, plus a better-than-vaccine immunisation from all forms of covid. It's basically the vax that our best scientists couldn't make. Now a vaccination should absolutely still be offered, and still be highly recommended for the elderly, or more vulnerable. But now's the time, if there ever should be one, to basically rub everyone elses faces in it, creating a herd immunity the vax cannot offer by itself. Thus, the need to be vaxxed, for healthy able bodied people like most of us on here, is lessened.

That's not to say a completely new strain will show up.. But a virus by its very nature 'weakens' as it evolves/mutates for a number of reasons. One reason being the hosts it survives in won't try to destroy it so much as it's not considered as great a threat... this is beneficial for both us AND the virus itself! As a result, listen to the top medical scientists, preferably more independant ones, when they say any mutation will Most Likely be a stem from Omicron.

 

[The Catboy]

Wow is this feckwit STILL at it.... "I want proof! I WAAANT PRo0oF!11!" Get a grip sunshine, how many times do we have to tell you about said sources? Oh wait, you clearly don't bother reading those posts coz they aren't for you. Or something. Recent proof being a reply you made a few hours back to Xdel ffs.. At least that other horseshit peddler with the toon link avatar has gone quiet...

A lot has changed since this topic was created to be honest: Omicron, should you care to read statistics from, ohhh, someone like the ONS here in the UK, yeah fly by night cowboys that don't know what they're talking about (I'm sure there's similar US based sites that will provide the same information) But yeah Omicron is not only little more than a severe cold in terms of how ill the worst off become from it, it also provides immunisation from the Delta variant, plus a better-than-vaccine immunisation from all forms of covid. It's basically the vax that our best scientists couldn't make. Now a vaccination should absolutely still be offered, and still be highly recommended for the elderly, or more vulnerable. But now's the time, if there ever should be one, to basically rub everyone elses faces in it, creating a herd immunity the vax cannot offer by itself. Thus, the need to be vaxxed, for healthy able bodied people like most of us on here, is lessened.

That's not to say a completely new strain will show up.. But a virus by its very nature 'weakens' as it evolves/mutates for a number of reasons. One reason being the hosts it survives in won't try to destroy it so much as it's not considered as great a threat... this is beneficial for both us AND the virus itself! As a result, listen to the top medical scientists, preferably more independant ones, when they say any mutation will Most Likely be a stem from Omicron.

I don't read the posts if they include random rambles, conspiracy sites, and anything that isn't just a simple source and explanation. If there's a source backing up the claims made by these members, then they should provide them, otherwise they should be called out until they do.

 

[subcon959]

I dunno if it's because I'm older or not, but I find this constant need to outsource critical thinking a bit weird. When people sit around and talk they don't usually all have a stack of books to cite if needed. Why the constant need to treat a simple conversation and exchange of opinions as something more than it is? It's all a bit odd.

 

[tabzer]

Provide a source that shows I am wrong, wait you fucking won’t because you never have sources. You only post some bullshit and expect to be respected. Prove me wrong.

Lol, I read your sources. Did you? Get a grip.

Lacius already "gently corrected" you about your claim about natural immunity, and it was what Russell was being specific about--with cited references.

Choosing to remain ignorant is kind of your problem.

 

[The Catboy]

Lol, I read your sources. Did you? Get a grip.

Lacius already "gently corrected" you about your claim about natural immunity, and it was what Russell was being specific about--with cited references.

Choosing to remain ignorant is kind of your problem.

It's not that I wasn't aware of anything, it's that I've stopped trying to give decent replies to your posts because I know you won't do the same for anyone else.

 

[tabzer]

It's not that I wasn't aware of anything, it's that I've stopped trying to give decent replies to your posts because I know you won't do the same for anyone else.

Oh, so you are just pretending to give disinformation. I've been trolled. Who is "TheCatBoy"?

 

[XDel]

Who is "TheCatBoy"?

Mind you, I sent this to him in a PM and he was offended by it, I thought it was funny.

 

[XDel]

From the horse's mouth:

Doctor Yuval Noah Harari
World Economic Forum Advisor Explains The Great Reset, 4th Industrial Revolution, Transhumanism, and the Gene-Editing Agenda. Technopoly "FREE WILL IS OVER"