Covid-19 vaccine

Will you get the vaccine?

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It isn't completely analogous to our current situation, since it does look like our vaccines do indeed lower the odds of contracting the delta variant (but not the viral load in a vaccinated person who suffers a breakthrough infection), but I'm always worried about the evolution of resistance against any mitigation strategy we come up with against any pathogen.

Even if we had a vaccine that was 99% effective against COVID-19, and we vaccinated 99% of people with it, there's admittedly a huge selective pressure for vaccine resistance. Herd immunity would almost certainly eliminate the the virus in that area of high vaccination, but if there are other parts of the world where the virus isn't eliminated, then each repeated exposure of the virus to the vaccinated population only increases the odds of vaccine resistance developing.

To use an analogy, it makes me think of this video that visually demonstrates the development of antibacterial resistance. Even the area of high antibiotic resistance (i.e. the area of the world with a high vaccination rate) will eventually become exposed to antibiotic-resistant bacteria (i.e. a vaccine-resistant virus). It's only a matter of time. The goal is to limit the spread of infection as much as possible to drastically slow down mutation rates and the development of new variants. Coronaviruses are also stupid because they might pick up entire segments of genetic information from other coronaviruses.



We have a lot of data with regard to the longer-term effects of vaccines, including the long-term effects of mRNA vaccines. The technology is not new. Given what we know about mRNA vaccines, vaccines in general, in addition to the fact that the vaccine is completely gone from the body within days/weeks of getting vaccinated, the odds of long-term effects are exceedingly low.

There has been no demonstration of long-term effects, nor has there been any demonstration of any real mechanism for long-term effects. It's purely speculative.


The experiments were done before they were broadly available to the public.


There's no evidence of this. It's anti-vax nonsense based on feeling rather than fact, similar to the continued belief that vaccines broadly cause autism.


COVID-19 has killed about 4.55 million people worldwide. It carries substantial risk of serious harm that can require hospitalization. It also carries significant risks of long-term effects that have actually been demonstrated.
A fairly concise response, but not one that addresses the core issue. If the vaccine is “leaky” then herd immunity isn’t necessarily a deterrent since the virus continues to mutate in the hosts, we simply don’t get sick from it until it mutates to the point that the vaccine is no longer effective, as is the case with Marek’s. The booster model brings in new concerns that wouldn’t normally apply, but in all fairness, the research showing that Delta continues to be present in the same quantity as pre-vaccination also comes from India where a different vaccine is used (touched upon earlier in the thread), plus we don’t know if the virus is even active or not, only that it is present, so this would require further research which I’m sure is forthcoming. In any case, this new angle gave me some pause for thought and further solidified my belief that we all went the wrong way about the lockdown - I feel that it would’ve been significantly more effective if the jab was distributed *first*, that way we’d all have time away from everyday business that’d allow the vaccinations to take proper effect. No point in crying over milk that has long since soaked into the ground, but weighing the pros and cons the results were somewhat negligible in terms of public health, but devastating economically from the stats I’ve seen so far, which is a bit counterintuitive. Then again, I suppose that nowadays we all shop at supermarkets which are ultimately large gatherings with huge footfall, so it’s not completely unexpected.
 
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A fairly concise response, but not one that addresses the core issue. If the vaccine is “leaky” then herd immunity isn’t necessarily a deterrent since the virus continues to mutate in the hosts, we simply don’t get sick from it until it mutates to the point that the vaccine is no longer effective, as is the case with Marek’s. The booster model brings in new concerns that wouldn’t normally apply, but in all fairness, the research showing that Delta continues to be present in the same quantity as pre-vaccination also comes from India where a different vaccine is used (touched upon earlier in the thread), plus we don’t know if the virus is even active or not, only that it is present, so this would require further research which I’m sure is forthcoming. In any case, this new angle gave me some pause for thought and further solidified my belief that we all went the wrong way about the lockdown - I feel that it would’ve been significantly more effective if the jab was distributed *first*, that way we’d all have time away from everyday business that’d allow the vaccinations to take proper effect. No point in crying over milk that has long since soaked into the ground, but weighing the pros and cons the results were somewhat negligible in terms of public health, but devastating economically from the stats I’ve seen so far, which is a bit counterintuitive. Then again, I suppose that nowadays we all shop at supermarkets which are ultimately large gatherings with huge footfall, so it’s not completely unexpected.
It seems to me the obvious first step should've been an immediate halt on international flights. By the time other measures were put it in place it was too much to overcome.
 

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Update: got my first dose of Pfizer :D
You barely feel the needle in your arm, after the vaccine (at least for me) I've only had a bit heavier and sore arm. 24h later the pain went away and I feel awesome! Really recommend you to get the jab: the doc told me that in case I will get higher temperature due to jab, take some paracetamol (ask the doctor about exact dosing, I to be honest don't remember it and I don't want to lie to anyone) every ~6 hours and it should be good.

Of course, everyone will go through it differently, but I hope my jab experience will add to this thread :D
 
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Just saw an ad for this series. Reminds me of something but I can't quite put my finger on it.

Ignoring those previous posts, I will continue with to ask if the those against this vaccine have any peer-reviewed research to back up their concerns? As well, do the anti-vax in this thread have anything substantial?
Ya I posted about 3 which were quickly dismissed.
 

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Nope. Walked out of a job end of June because they were trying to bully me into having it. I caught COVID and isolated for 10 days as per government guidelines. Come payday, they docked me 30% of my wages because I haven't had the vaccine. People who have had the vaccine and isolated for 10 days got full pay so I was discriminated against for making a choice that was mine to make. Should be a personal choice to have it or not, and nobody should be forced or manipulated into having it.
 
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Nope. Walked out of a job end of June because they were trying to bully me into having it. I caught COVID and isolated for 10 days as per government guidelines. Come payday, they docked me 30% of my wages because I haven't had the vaccine. Should be a personal choice to have it or not, and nobody should be forced or manipulated into having it.
Free choice to not get the vaccine because of your silly whims means there is also free choice to bully people like that :P It's a double-sided sword.
 
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I don't wish to bully anyone. I respect your choice to have it, and will not attempt to ridicule because you don't align with me
can't really respect people whose reason to not take the vaccine is their stupid whims.

You're not paying for this goddamn jab, and if you don't have medical obstacles, why are you refusing? Again, freedom is a double-sided sword and your actions have consequences.
 

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can't really respect people whose reason to not take the vaccine is their stupid whims.

You're not paying for this goddamn jab, and if you don't have medical obstacles, why are you refusing? Again, freedom is a double-sided sword and your actions have consequences.

You're entitled to your opinion, I'd never attempt to take that away from you
 

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You're entitled to your opinion, I'd never attempt to take that away from you
Is that your only reason? You have the freedom to be an unvaccinated moron, your boss has the right to cut your pay. Yay freedom for everyone!

But not only that, you can also go and find another employer who also is an unvaccinated moron and you both can be unvaccinated morons!
If you claim to love freedom so much, why do you cry like a baby when others exercise their freedoms? Is it "freedom for me to be more vulnerable to C19 but not for thee to get rid of possible danger from the workplace"?
 

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Alright, kids, time out. Rather than go onto a full half page of "No, you do!", let us cut to the source and settle this.

Nope. Walked out of a job end of June because they were trying to bully me into having it. I caught COVID and isolated for 10 days as per government guidelines. Come payday, they docked me 30% of my wages because I haven't had the vaccine. People who have had the vaccine and isolated for 10 days got full pay so I was discriminated against for making a choice that was mine to make. Should be a personal choice to have it or not, and nobody should be forced or manipulated into having it.

This does sound like a gripe,since... y'know... you're bringing it up at all, but at the end of the day, it reminds me of a quote from one of the most powerful pieces of media ever made.
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A little less blue than I remember, but you get the idea. @tsao is being a little belligerent about it because your "choice" endangers everyone around you, not completely unlike closing your eyes in a crowded room and throwing haymakers wildly in any direction. Your choice, sure, but if you hit or kill somebody you'll hopefully feel pretty bad well before your rights are taken from you via arrest for being a hazard to the public health. You should consider the science rather than the memes about self immunization and the like, and just go get yourself a jab.
 
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Nope. Walked out of a job end of June because they were trying to bully me into having it. I caught COVID and isolated for 10 days as per government guidelines. Come payday, they docked me 30% of my wages because I haven't had the vaccine. People who have had the vaccine and isolated for 10 days got full pay so I was discriminated against for making a choice that was mine to make. Should be a personal choice to have it or not, and nobody should be forced or manipulated into having it.

I'm curious, were you notified of the potential repercussions of not getting vaccinated? When your pay was docked, were you classified as "suspended without pay" or something similar along those lines? I can't get behind not getting a vaccination, but I also can't get behind a corporation using that as an excuse to keep their bottom dollar.

That's one thing I hate the most about a lot of these corporations. I've seen quite a few instances where companies are using the vaccine mandates in ways they shouldn't, which is not to say the mandates are to blame. These corporations should be held responsible for the underhanded tactics they chose to utilize. They're mudding up the waters to line their own pockets, making legitimate science take the fall and look bad in favor of corporate greed.
 
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I'm curious, were you notified of the potential repercussions of not getting vaccinated? When your pay was docked, were you classified as "suspended without pay" or something similar along those lines? I can't get behind not getting a vaccination, but I also can't get behind a corporation using that as an excuse to keep their bottom dollar.

That's one thing I hate the most about a lot of these corporations. I've seen quite a few instances where companies are using the vaccine mandates in ways they shouldn't, which is not to say the mandates are to blame. These corporations should be held responsible for the underhanded tactics they chose to utilize. They're mudding up the waters to line their own pockets, making legitimate science take the fall and look bad in favor of corporate greed.

I was given no prior warning nor was any memo/letter informing staff of this strategy issued. Plus side in it all, mental health is way better now and am currently enjoying life. So, it's been both a negative and a positive experience walking away. I didn't highlight the job thing as a gripe, merely to state how some companies/organisations threaten and manipulate people for something I believe should be a choice and isn't a legal requirement
 
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