Cinavia Question?

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Mar 31, 2013

Cinavia Question? by Centrix at 8:00 AM (2,951 Views / 0 Likes) 16 replies

  1. Centrix
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    ok so I bought this Samsung BD-E5400 a few weeks ago and took the update and now I'm getting that stupid Cinavia issues there has gotta be some way around that stupid issue? pls tell there is? I really love this blueray player :)
     
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    No way to remove Cinavia protection. It is embedded deep inside the audio stream, so you either have to watch a video without sound, or use a really old DVD/Blu-ray player. All modern Blu-ray player have Cinavia DRM enabled.
     
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    You might try a different Media Server on your PC, like PS3 Media Server or something. Some of the media servers are not compatible with that crap by design.
     
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    no way he can convert the files?
     
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    He can't. Cinavia is embedded deeply inside audio stream, so even if you repeatedly use lossy conversion such as MP3, Vorbis, AAC, etc it is still there. Media server doesn't work either.

    No one has found a way to remove Cinavia. Some have found some ways to bypass it, but bypass is not universal. For example, in PS3 you can intentionally set the time backward to get more playtime (by default Cinavia on PS3 kicks in 20 minutes). In some earlier Blu-ray players you can use DVDFab which will add some dummy files to trick them, but modern players don't fall for that trick.

    Unlike AACS and CSS, which were poorly designed, Cinavia actually doesn't have any big loophole at the moment.

    Which is why I say you either have to remove the audio portion, or use an old Blu-ray player. Cinavia was introduced in 2010 and mandatory in 2012, use that as a guidance to find a player.
     
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    Do they work on media player classic or vlc? I dont remember any media encryption thats taken a long time to crack.
     
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    Cinavia is not an encryption, it is part of the audio. It is inaudible, but it is there. It works by placing inaudible pitch inside the audio portion (audio watermark). When a hardware player detects this audio watermark it will also run various detections to determine if the content is legit or not.
     
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    I see, no way to remove it with a audio program like mixcraft or even premier pro or something?
     
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    No one has found a way to accurately locate it and remove it. :cry:
     
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    Thats crappy thanks for the info.
     
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    Just skim through it and nothing in there helps.

    The first portion where it talks about Toshlink and Coxial instead of HDMI is player dependent. How a player reacts to a failed Cinavia validation is up to the manufacturer. PS3 for example lets you play the content for 20 minutes before lockup. Some player allows Toshlink or Coxial, in which case no high-definition audio such as DD TrueHD or DTS-HD MA. Some player only allows RCA audio output, so not even surround sound. Some players play with no sound, and some players simply don't play the content at all.

    Second portion argues how Cinavia audio can't be loseless, which is a stupid argument to begin with.

    Third portion isn't going to help OP anyway, which is your ordinary consumer.
     
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    only "real" workarounds I can think of:

    - try a DVD rip of the same movie. if it doesn't trigger the Cinavia, then swap the BD audio for the DVD audio. of course, you won't have HD audio, but it's better than no audio or no playback. muxing/demuxing know-how required. please note that some DVDs contain Cinavia protection, even if it's more common on BDs.

    - connect a PC with a BD-drive to your TV, use older, Cinavia-free software for playback. those drives should be cheap nowadays. I bought a USB one for $40 or so on ebay, more than a year ago.
     
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    I found a solution for Cinavia on http://www.dvd2hd.com They have released their prototype called CinEx. A great software and it works. Got it from myce.com where they confirmed it after testing it.
    So no bypass or hooking, just removing Cinavia.
     
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    CinEX at this point is very early. I tested it, and while it does remove Cinavia it heavily distorts the audio.

    Many people who use cheap audio speaker ain't going to notice it, but I can hear a lot of static and muffle.
     
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    Yes it is a pre-release but I like that they share their development. You know I do not see any similar solution from the majors. And so I will watch this software regulary, because it seems to become better and better. I tested the latest release with "Here comes the boom" and it was a really good quality. Not perfect but near at it.
     

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