Hacking Can Nintendo patch Sky3DS/QQ3DS/whatever

[Ericzander]

Hey guys, I have a Gateway card and I love it to bits. My friend however has a 9.4 3DS so Gateway is out of the question for him and he's asking me for advice. He's not exactly in a rush to get a card and I'm leaning towards QQ3DS since it is about $5 cheaper and comes with a DS flash card (he doesn't have an R4).

But my question is, will Nintendo be able to patch this card? I know Gateway was obviously patched but that's a little different because it actually messes with the 3Ds's system while Sky/QQ just treat the carts as retail. I know every time there's a new firmware update R4, DStwo, and other carts and stuff are unaffected or patched very quickly. Basically, I wanna know if he should have to worry because he wants to keep his system updated to play online.

In other news, he wants to upgrade to the NEW 3DS. However he also wants to do a system transfer (which requires both systems to be updated) so I guess that means Gateway's still out of the picture (unless it's possible to system transfer from 9.4 sysNAND to 9.4 emuNAND when that's possible on the NEW 3DS. Is it?)

What should I tell him?

 

[RodrigoDavy]

Sky3DS/QQ3DS can be patched, just like DS flashcarts... You see, DS flashcards are recognized as legit DS flashcards and they can be patched so there's nothing stopping sky/qq3ds from being patched and, in fact, I think it's only a matter of time before it happens, but only time will tell.

It all comes down to whether or not Sky3DS/QQ3DS have upgradable firmware that will allow them to avoid patching from NIntendo.


By the way, as far as I know you can't do a system transfer using emunand because the system reboots before starting the System transfer taking you out of emunand. So that leaves Gateway out of question

 

[Apache Thunder]

People at 3D Brew have mentioned that these type of cards are detectable. If they can be detected, they can be blocked. I would not be surprised if 9.5 (or 10.0 if they skip 9.5) blocks them. They'll become expensive paperweights after that because these cards can not be flashed to work again as evidence by the fact they had to release a new card just to properly remove the game limit.

 

[Miles54321]

Hmm, By system transfer do you mean getting save files from 3ds to new 3ds, if so I'm in the same boat and hope I can do that without updating as I'm also waiting on the Gateway for N3DS XL

Some people feel SKY3DS may be patched but it's kind of hard to say

 

[Apache Thunder]

Hmm, By system transfer do you mean getting save files from 3ds to new 3ds, if so I'm in the same boat and hope I can do that without updating as I'm also waiting on the Gateway for N3DS XL

Some people feel SKY3DS may be patched but it's kind of hard to say

You'll need both systems to be on emunand to do a system transfer safely. The consoles will force you to update if the firmware you do them on is not the latest. So don't do them on sysnand if you want to still use your Gateway.

 

[Miles54321]

You'll need both systems to be on emunand to do a system transfer safely. The consoles will force you to update if the firmware you do them on is not the latest. So don't do them on sysnand if you want to still use your Gateway.

Damn, my 3ds xl is 9.4 and my new 3dsxl is v9.0 FUCK

 

[Apache Thunder]

Well if you don't plan to using your old XL that's on 9.4 for gateway, doing a transfer to the new console will still work. You'll just have to wait till Gateway releases N3DS support so that you can install emunand on it. So your not completely screwed.

Both systems don't have to be on emunand. Only the ones that you want to still use Gateway on.

 

[Ralph1611]

Anyone willing to make a wager whether it will be banned in the next update?

 

[Foxi4]

Short answer is "yes", long answer is "any cart can be blocked".

 

[Kugz]

People at 3D Brew have mentioned that these type of cards are detectable. If they can be detected, they can be blocked. I would not be surprised if 9.5 (or 10.0 if they skip 9.5) blocks them. They'll become expensive paperweights after that because these cards can not be flashed to work again as evidence by the fact they had to release a new card just to properly remove the game limit.

If you don't update to 9.5/10.0 (or whatever firmware we speculate they could block it) then it still works as intended. It's just as much of a paperweight as a Gateway if you upgraded to 9.3/9.4

 

[Apache Thunder]

If you don't update to 9.5/10.0 (or whatever firmware we speculate they could block it) then it still works as intended. It's just as much of a paperweight as a Gateway if you upgraded to 9.3/9.4

Yeah it will still work if you don't update. But what about future game patches? Pokemon Omega Ruby for example. Works great on it if you don't update. But a new game patch could come out. Due to that you can't update it from eShop because system update required. This game requires you to update before it will let you use online services. Then there's the folks who never own that game so they don't even have the previous patches. So no online multiplayer for them!

Not to mention the release of newer games that may require new system updates to work. Though the RegionThree exploit could be used to get around that. (right up until they drop a new SDK with different encryption, then you are really f**ked!)

But lack of access to game updates/DLC will destroy Sky3DS in it's current form once it gets blocked in the next firmware update.

 

[Ericzander]

Well if you don't plan to using your old XL that's on 9.4 for gateway, doing a transfer to the new console will still work. You'll just have to wait till Gateway releases N3DS support so that you can install emuNAND on it. So your not completely screwed.

In the case of my friend his current device is at 9.4 so he doesn't care about Gateway. You're saying that once Gateway gets support for NEW 3DS (and assuming his is firmware 9.2 or less) he will be able to do a system transfer through sysNAND on his current one and emuNAND on his new one?

 

[Apache Thunder]

Yeah I see no reason why that wouldn't work. The target system is the one that Gateway would be used on, so that one would be the one that needs to be on emunand.

Emunand was only needed for the source system if sysnand was below 9.2 and you wanted to use Gateway on it still. If it's already on latest firmware, you don't need to use emunand on it to "spoof" the fact that it's on latest firmware....Because it already is!

 

[Ericzander]

But in the second post Rodrigo said

By the way, as far as I know you can't do a system transfer using emunand because the system reboots before starting the System transfer taking you out of emunand. So that leaves Gateway out of question

 

[Kugz]

Yeah it will still work if you don't update. But what about future game patches? Pokemon Omega Ruby for example. Works great on it if you don't update. But a new game patch could come out. Due to that you can't update it from eShop because system update required. This game requires you to update before it will let you use online services. Then there's the folks who never own that game so they don't even have the previous patches. So no online multiplayer for them!

Not to mention the release of newer games that may require new system updates to work. Though the RegionThree exploit could be used to get around that. (right up until they drop a new SDK with different encryption, then you are really f**ked!)

But lack of access to game updates/DLC will destroy Sky3DS in it's current form once it gets blocked in the next firmware update.

Pirates for the last 13+ years have understood there is a very good chance that if you download, crack or keygen a piece of software or game that any future patches, updates or online-capabilities in whole are off-limits and are never an option. There's a distinct separation between playing pirated software and online-play when pirating.

To be able to go online with any kind of pirated material is icing on the cake and is nearly always fixed down the track. Don't think it'll stop people buying SKY (especially when future consoles get released with a higher firmware). I'm on 9.2 and have a SKY and I could care less about online-play or patches.

 

[RodrigoDavy]

But in the second post Rodrigo said
By the way, as far as I know you can't do a system transfer using emunand because the system reboots before starting the System transfer taking you out of emunand. So that leaves Gateway out of question

I got this information from this gbatemp thread (Since I don't actually own a Gateway yet): https://gbatemp.net/threads/system-transfer-and-gateway-emunand.358533/

 

[mrolive]

If it can be blocked, I'm not sure what is taking Nintendo so long. The Sky was released in October and it is now almost Febuary. We won't know for sure until Nintendo pushes another firmware update. If the Sky still works on that, then it might be safe to say Nintendo won't block it.

 

[Tank Dempsey]

They can be blocked just like regular ds flashcards.

 

[tony_2018]

Of course they can. I'm sure they are thinking brewing up something right now. I'm expecting something around Chinese New Years.

 

[smasbros]

No one knows if Nintendo will release next update 9.5 or other versions to block those cards, but even gateway can also be blocked by nintendo update. Personally think sky is not bad choice for 9.4 , at least now.