BREXIT [Poll] vote!

[emigre]

so, the capitalistic economy is more important than Democracy and People? Remove directly the elections and let the bankers and the EU dictators to decide for us (like in Italy that the last three prime ministers are dictators unelected)

No disrespect bro, but the big stuff like Iraq, healthy system reforms, education reforms, austerity in Britain was decided by our democratically elected governments. Those things don't change with Brexit.

Can someone please explain to me how my new found freedom works? What can iI do which I couldn't do before?

The maps I saw showed that rich parts (like London) were for BREMAIN and poorer parts like Cornwall and the North were for the BREXIT. This was an emotional decision, not a rational one.

I agree. I think in recent the already exiting mistrust in the 'elites' has intensified due the lack of economic recovery, immigration and dysfunctional housing market. Seeing Cornwall vote leave was really interesting because IIRC they get a lot of EU development money, money they wouldn't get from central government. The British political establishment needs to have a long hard look at itself in the mirror.

 

[Xiphiidae]

Four of the five richest countries, that's interesting. Who are you refering to besides Norway and Switzerland (and even they are in the common market)?

Norway, Switzerland, Liechtenstein and Monaco (although Monaco's status is unique; it's not a formal member of the EU but participates somewhat).

And yes, they're members of European Economic Area. But, of course, Brexit has nothing to do with the EEA, and just shows that EU membership is by no means a prerequisite for trade.

And no, I'm not a dictator nor a god. If people base their decision admittedly on how it feels instead of cold hart facts, it an emotional decision. A valid decision that has to be respected nontheless.

You do not know anyone's motivations. You do not get to decide what is chiefly emotional and what is chiefly rational.

 

[Uwabami]

Norway, Switzerland, Liechtenstein and Monaco (although Monaco's status is unique; it's not a formal member of the EU but participates somewhat).

And yes, they're members of European Economic Area. But, of course, Brexit has nothing to do with the EEA, and just shows that EU membership is by no means a prerequisite for trade.


You do not know anyone's motivations. You do not get to decide what is chiefly emotional and what is chiefly rational.

Lichtenstein is mainly represented by Switzerland in many foreign relations. And they are very small, as is Monaco. Does the Vatican count as well? Yes, they are rich per capita, but as I country, they don't have that big of an impact.

No, I'm telling you what my perception is, exercising my freedom of speech. In no way did I claim to know the only valid truth. Please stop making me out as some kind of extremist.

 

[Xiphiidae]

No, I'm telling you what my perception is, exercising my freedom of speech. In no way did I claim to know the only valid truth. Please stop making me out as some kind of extremist.

You said:

This was an emotional decision, not a rational one.

That's not "telling me what my perception is", it's making a claim. Either provide evidence to back it up or admit that it's baseless.

 

[Uwabami]

You said:


That's not "telling me what my perception is", it's making a claim. Either provide evidence to back it up or admit that it's baseless.

I saw a few documentaries on TV were they interviewed people on the issue. Also, I have friends in the UK who claimed as much as well.

Everything I say here is my personal opinion, as long as I don't say otherwise. Do I have to make the obvious clear every time? I'm neither the pope nor the World President - I'm just telling you my view on the subject. I never claimed other people's views are invalid.

 

[Xiphiidae]

I saw a few documentaries on TV were they interviewed people on the issue. Also, I have friends in the UK who claimed as much as well.

Everything I say here is my personal opinion, as long as I don't say otherwise. Do I have to make the obvious clear every time? I'm neither the pope nor the World President - I'm just telling you my view on the subject. I never claimed other people's views are invalid.

Then don't say "This was an emotional decision, not a rational one.", say "To me it seems that the decision was more emotional, although I have little-to-nothing to support this feeling I have."

Once again, you do not know people's motivations, and don't pretend that you do.

 

[Uwabami]

Then don't say "This was an emotional decision, not a rational one.", say "To me it seems that the decision was more emotional, although I have little-to-nothing to support this feeling I have."

Once again, you do not know people's motivations, and don't pretend that you do.

You're nitpicking here. It's more than obvious this is my personal opinion unless I state the opposite. Your arguments fall flat, so you're sidelining the argument. Cheap eristics, nothing more.

 

[Xiphiidae]

You're nitpicking here. It's more than obvious this is my personal opinion unless I state the opposite. Your arguments fall flat, so you're sidelining the argument. Cheap eristics, nothing more.

Then it's clear you do not know the difference between stating an opinion and making a claim.

Good job providing no evidence as to why my "arguments fall flat" or how I'm "sidelining the argument", by the way :^)


I think I've made my case for Brexit well enough, and you're free to disagree, so I don't think there's much more to contribute lest we descend into bickering. At the end of the day, Democracy has prevailed, and whining about it won't change anything. Have a good one _b

 

[Uwabami]

Then it's clear you do not know the difference between stating an opinion and making a claim.

Good job providing no evidence as to why my "arguments fall flat" or how I'm "sidelining the argument", by the way :^)


I think I've made my case for Brexit well enough, and you're free to disagree, so I don't think there's much more to contribute lest we descend into bickering. At the end of the day, Democracy has prevailed, and whining about it won't change anything. Have a good one _b

Yes I did, several times. As I said, you're using cheap eristics. Statistics by several institutes are supporting my claim but I'm sure you're not interested in that - you already made up your mind.

And I don't know where your problem is - I'm IN FAVOUR of the Brexit.

 

[Flame]

I blame the Right wing. Buch of fucking nut jobs.

 

[raulpica]

Can someone please explain to me how my new found freedom works? What can iI do which I couldn't do before?

You're now free to find more jobs! Those bloody immigrants won't be able to steal them anymore!

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[emigre]

You're now free to find more jobs! Those bloody immigrants won't be able to steal them anymore, now!

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Those dirty muslim polish immigrants have been taking my jobs, benefits and women.

 

[raulpica]

Those dirty muslim polish immigrants have been taking my jobs, benefits and women.

With their weird foods and dressage! Pass me some <generic dish with minced meat and potatoes>, matey!

 

[Flame]

The older generation once again handing the youth / younger generation a future they do not want. Hopeless.


99% of people who voted to stay will die in 2 years cause of old age. the youth will now suffer.



thanks leave people.

 

[Xiphiidae]

Yes I did, several times. As I said, you're using cheap eristics. Statistics by several institutes are supporting my claim but I'm sure you're not interested in that - you already made up your mind.

As I said, I do not want to descend into bickering, as much as you might like to. I'm that that "statistics" from several "institutes" support your "claim", but there are just as many 'experts' who would draw the opposite conclusions.

And it's quite the opposite; my mind is always open and I'm always prepared to change it in light of new evidence. I suggest you don't take everything you read as gospel, and think for yourself.

As I said before, I have no desire to continue this any further, as we will just be going in circles.

The older generation once again handing the youth / younger generation a future they do not want. Hopeless.

99% of people who voted to stay will die in 2 years cause of old age. the youth will now suffer.

thanks leave people.

"Democracy is only good when people like me are voting! Anyone unlike me is a bad person! Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong!"

 

[Depravo]

With their weird foods and dressage!

Isn't that making a horse walk sideways and stuff?

Spoiler: Dressage

 

[Uwabami]

As I said, I do not want to descend into bickering, as much as you might like to. I'm that that "statistics" from several "institutes" support your "claim", but there are just as many 'experts' who would draw the opposite conclusions.

And it's quite the opposite; my mind is always open and I'm always prepared to change it in light of new evidence. I suggest you don't take everything you read as gospel, and think for yourself.

As I said before, I have no desire to continue this any further, as we will just be going in circles.


"Democracy is only good when people like me are voting! Anyone unlike me is a bad person! Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong!"

YOU'RE the one saying anyone not supporting your opinion is an extremist dictator, I NEVER SAID ANYTHING to that effect. I'm sure you're either trolling or a child now, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[raulpica]

Isn't that making a horse walk sideways and stuff?

I was mocking those people that want to speak using fancy words they don't know anything of.

 

[Xiphiidae]

YOU'RE the one saying anyone not supporting your opinion is an extremist dictator, I NEVER SAID ANYTHING to that effect. I'm sure you're either trolling or a child now, thanks for clearing that up.

Please don't put words like that in my mouth; I never mentioned the words "extremist" or "dictator", I merely said that it's unjustifiable to claim that you're perfectly aware of everyone's motivations. I'm not saying that Leave or Remain is more 'correct', as I cannot see the future or read people's minds, I just personally see Brexit as a desirable thing because I value a particular notion of sovereignty, that's all.

 

[Uwabami]

Please don't put words like that in my mouth; I never mentioned the words "extremist" or "dictator", I merely said that it's unjustifiable to claim that you're perfectly aware of everyone's motivations. I'm not saying that Leave or Remain is more 'correct', as I cannot see the future or read people's minds, I just personally see Brexit as a desirable thing because I value a particular notion of sovereignty, that's all.

And I favour the Brexit because I believe it finally gives us the chance for big reforms in the EU without Britain's disruptions. We are in dire need of more democratic processes in the EU.

And you started putting words in my mouth. I was just paraphrasing.