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Biden: "You can’t be pro-insurrection and pro-America."
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lmao moving the goalposts, you may leave now.Maybe, but what about the hundreds of "cancelled" books/movies/personalities ? When I talked about burning books I didn't only mean it literally.
Isn't MAGA an acrostic for Make America Great Again specifically referring to the US? If so, I find it hard to believe that someone that is not from the US would perfectly align with the movement. If not hyperbole, I think a more comprehensive survey than the slim gleanings from gaming forum posts would be required to sufficiently evaluate possible overlapping between an individual's views and whatever MAGA is (it is arbitrarily, rather than objectively, thrown around so often that it seems to merely be an undefined pejorative applied to anyone that does not wholly affirm one's positions). It seems to be just as ambiguous and arbitrary as woke; being rhetorical synonyms of right/conservative and left/liberal applied to those that disagree with one's position.
So if one seeks to conserve democracy, making them by definition a conservative, would they be a Nazi by merit of seeking to conserve something?
That's not what it means lmao
If anything, conservatives degrade democracy as they are only interested in their power. look at all the voter suppression conservatives did in UK and US to ensure they keep winning by disenfranchising voters.
Etymology lesson: The root of conservative is conserve. Conserve is derived from the Latin conservare, meaning to preserve or keep. My question stands in response to equating conservative with Nazi as it is possible to have a position seeking to preserve or keep values opposed to Nazism.
Your refutation is appealing to the contemporary dictionary. My response is appealing to the Latin root. We must now discuss which ought to be considered correct and why if we are to continue this conversation.
I favor appealing to the Latin as it avoids any dilutions that have occurred over time, which make it more difficult to correctly interpret older text, which I consider to still be a valuable knowledge resource.
There have been numerous right wing gatherings to burn books the last couple years.
https://www.newsweek.com/pro-trump-pastor-book-burning-church-service-1840370
https://www.voanews.com/a/flamethro...gnite-political-firestorm-in-us-/7279353.html
The GOP isn't even ashamed to admit it: https://www.axios.com/2022/04/28/gop-tennessee-burn-banned-books
The one that is actually recognised today in the language we are speaking with each other, not the one that exists only in your head and which no english dictionary recognises. You want to rely on the latin meaning? Then maybe you should speak latin. There's plenty of people in the Vatican who'd be delighted to ignore you.
Not nessecarially. Just as with most political topics, conservatism can be reasonably interpreted to mean differing sets of values based on who the person in question is.
Conservatism as a concept, for example, goes much deeper than an affiliation for some political views above others. It's an ideology, and subject to different interpretation.
Just because one given interpretation isn't as popular doesn't make it invalid. Same kind of thing as some Christians observing the Sabbath on Saturday and others observing it on Sunday, for instance.
On top of that, "maybe you should speak latin" is a shallow and fruitless insult, as well as missing the point that he was trying to make.
Seriously, learn History... You're really embarrassing yourself once again. And you're insulting the millions of people who died in concentration camps. You should be ashamed.
Please read posts before replying... You are seriously hopeless
Quite a few people, including far-right Christians, like Greg Locke
I read it. You saying you're not far-right doesn't make you not far-right.Please read posts before replying... You are seriously hopelessBye
Seriously, if you don't like being called a Nazi or lumped together with Nazis stop acting like em. The comparison is apt because I actually finished my high school history courses.
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Big take your ball and go home energy here.Please read posts before replying... You are seriously hopelessBye
Fair, though which contemporary dictionary should be used? I find the Oxford English Dictionary to be far more comprehensive, though access is not free. I used an active institution account to access the dictionary. Definition 2b is the definition I am using:
Democracy is a something that can be conserved or preserved. If you disagree, I would like to know your reasoning.
If you disagree with this particular definition, then I would like to know why the definitions presented in the Merriam-Webster English Dictionary are more appropriate than the definitions presented in the more comprehensive Oxford English Dictionary.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. I used an English dictionary to trace the etymology of the term in question. Why is this "only in my head" and not recognized by any English Dictionary?
Much of the English language borrows from Latin. I do not see any harm in using word etymology regarding semantics. I've found it to be very beneficial as the practice has expanded my English vocabulary. I think this is part of why older text tends to be much more substantive than much of contemporary text. The authors were much more aware of the meaning of the words they used at the time.
They likely would since I follow the Reformed perspective and disagree with the concept of the papacy having authority over Scripture. I also hold the position that Roman Catholicism is a heretical cult.
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It does. This is why I am challenging the definition of conservative. The concept of democracy is a political concept. If one seeks to conserve democracy, would they not be a political conservative?
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No, they would not. In the context of the political parties, which is the context he was using the term in, conservative refers to a specific ideology, it hasn't got anything to do with conserving x thing or y thing. It's pretty simple but apparently not for you since Ansem spoon fed it to you and you still busted out the Webster.
If I try to conserve my chocolate chip cookies am I a conservative...?
Conservatives don't share the same views amongst themselves, there's overlap and there is conflict in ideals. It's foolish to think there are only 2 types of people. But for you, here is what you are suggesting to be "Nazi".
- Limited Government: Many conservatives advocate for a limited role of the government in daily life, emphasizing individual freedom and responsibility.
- Free Market Economy: A strong belief in capitalism and free market principles is common, with the idea that economic freedom leads to personal and national prosperity.
- Traditional Values: Conservatives often emphasize the importance of traditional social values, which can include views on family, religion, and national identity.
- Strong National Defense: A robust military and a strong stance on national security are typically emphasized in conservative ideology.
- Individual Liberties: Rights such as freedom of speech, right to bear arms, and religious freedom are often strongly defended by conservatives.
- Law and Order: A focus on the importance of law enforcement and a strong legal system is another hallmark of many conservative viewpoints.
I didn't say (or suggest) anything about Nazis. I explained to him what context is when he busted out the semantics. He is objectively wrong about this, Nazis or no Nazis.
Oh so you know my own political affiliations better than I do... mmmkayI read it. You saying you're not far-right doesn't make you not far-right.
You'd do great in an inquisitorial tribunal.You know your own political affiliation, you are just being disingenuous about it. It's easy to spot when you can't even back up your own claims. See here.Oh so you know my own political affiliations better than I do... mmmkay
Comparing conservatives to Nazis was the context, and he was right in calling it out. If you don't appreciate the English language, then the etymology lesson is lost on you.
It's dumb to suggest that people who vote a specific way aren't interested in democracy. By doing so, you are suggesting that there should only be one way to vote.
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